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    I was at Southwards Car Museum in NZ last week, and thought a few of you might get a kick out of these.

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    I think I see an SM there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken W View Post
    I think I see an SM there as well.
    Those two TAs are much rarer than the SM, Ken! There are possibly only 5 Slough built coupes left in the world! David showed us pics of one recently and I understand John Vanchop has two. The other is of course Fred Annell's famous car.
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    Yes, an SM, and a couple of 2CV variants.
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    Hi Guys,

    I know of the existence of anther coupe, but don't think should identify the owner :-((

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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
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    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    BTW,

    The Blue sedan description plaque says it made in France, and while it has French bumpers and door handles, I really think the car is Slough built........

    It has a sunroof, what appears to be leather seats, and Lucas front side lamps. The Grill has no chevron, and looks very English. The headlamp supports don't have the aperture to adjust the headlamp as on the French cars either, and the headlamps look Lucas, so i think it a bit of a hybrid?

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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
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    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    BTW,

    The Blue sedan description plaque says it made in France, and while it has French bumpers and door handles, I really think the car is Slough built........

    It has a sunroof, what appears to be leather seats, and Lucas front side lamps. The headlamp supports don't have the aperture to adjust the headlamp as on the French cars either, and the headlamps look Lucas, so i think it a bit of a hybrid?

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    It's RH drive has the English sunroof and other bits as you say and also has the English thinner windscreen surround so I would say definitely pre war English assembled at Slough. They shared more French bits and pieces before the war such as door handles etc compared with post war.
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    Ha Ha ! looking for little things, and missed the most obvious!

    There are a lot of French parts on late Slough tractions as well, that you don't realise?

    As to whether its pre war, the only way you can tell is the pressing around the rear window. There is a flat boot Slough traction in Sydney, with prewar bonnets fitted, and every owner has claimed that its pre war, but the rear window has no addition rebate (?) pressing so its definitely post war. It's been the subject of a lot of arguments.

    There are exceptions the other way. John Vanechop has an early post war sedan that has the rear window moulding, and it was obviously assembled with a left over pre war body shell, after the recommencement of production

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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
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    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    BTW,

    The Blue sedan description plaque says it made in France, and while it has French bumpers and door handles, I really think the car is Slough built........

    It has a sunroof, what appears to be leather seats, and Lucas front side lamps. The Grill has no chevron, and looks very English. The headlamp supports don't have the aperture to adjust the headlamp as on the French cars either, and the headlamps look Lucas, so i think it a bit of a hybrid?

    best regards,

    Greg
    Slough tractions had external chevrons fitted up until 1940 with the exception of the 1936-7 year where the chevrons were dispensed with and replaced by a small badge fitted to the upper right of the grille slats bearing script 'Citroen' capped by chevrons rising from the letters 'C' and 'n' at the base and forming an apex above the letter 'r. I have one of these badges and plan to fit it to my 11BL for no other reason other than 'I like it'!
    BTW those seats are definitely prewar. Note how the pleats rise up and over the top terminating at the piping between the facings and the seat rear panel. Just like my Father's 1938 and my 1940 Light 15s.
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    ...you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    ...you guys.
    Sorry for being pedantic Graham!
    Cheers Gerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Sorry for being pedantic Graham!
    Not at all, I love it, it's what we do..

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    Wipers from the top too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Slough tractions had external chevrons fitted up until 1940 with the exception of the 1936-7 year......... Note how the pleats rise up and over the top terminating at the piping between the facings and the seat rear panel. Just like my Father's 1938 and my 1940 Light 15s.
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    I had a feeling I should have taken more photos... sorry.
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    This is fun. Yes you should have taken at least 30 shots of that car!
    Here's a similar light 15 in London during the war.
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    so what is a Light 12? was that just NZ ? pre-war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonf View Post
    so what is a Light 12? was that just NZ ? pre-war?
    The Light 12 was the earlier french '7', The upgrade in hp to 11 made the light '15'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trading Estate View Post
    The Light 12 was the earlier french '7', The upgrade in hp to 11 made the light '15'
    I went for a ride in a 1935 Light 12 (also known as the "Super Modern 12" until late 1935). It had the 1600 cc engine the earlier 1375 cc engine with the 80mm stroke was only produced for a very short period of time ( refer to Jeroen Cats website )
    This car was unique in the fact that it still had the original worm and sector 'Gemmer' steering system ---- Central instruments cluster in a steel dash ----twin glove compartments and twin scuttle ventilators. The car still felt remarkably tight and like a later car but with much lighter steering.
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    Does anybody know the outcome of the early smaller engined normale bodied ('35?) that was trailered to the Victorian concourse years ago? It was navy and black, had the dash as Gerry described and had the older style thick rims. I think it may have been discovered in NZ. I wonder if anybody tackled it?
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    David all of the Normales had the 11 engine from the outset of production. If this had a 12 engine in it, it must have been retro fitted!
    Cheers Gerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    David all of the Normales had the 11 engine from the outset of production. If this had a 12 engine in it, it must have been retro fitted!
    PS there was very little to distinguish the external view of a 1600 from a 1911 cc apart from the 11 cast onto the side of the cylinder head.
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    No Gerry I didn't see the engine bay but 'somebody' (!) told me it was a 1600. Obviously not true. Do you remember the car? It was at Como Park, Jon F might remember I think he was there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trading Estate View Post
    No Gerry I didn't see the engine bay but 'somebody' (!) told me it was a 1600. Obviously not true. Do you remember the car? It was at Como Park, Jon F might remember I think he was there.
    I was not at Como for the year this car attended, otherwise I would have remembered it!
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    The car came from an old NZ collection it was bought to Oz by Mel Carey with or on behalf of someone called Jardel I think.
    This was in the late 90s or early naughties. It was described as an 1935 11A. I saw the car a couple of times and remember the double scuttle vents also it had 6 stud wheels. Have a vague idea Mr Jardel moved to Qld.
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