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    Default DS second or first nose bonnet?

    Hi all
    Can anyone clarify whether the bonnet is the same, between the first and second nose, I can see the differences between the front guards undertray and bumper.
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    Hi Gary, I don't think the bonnets changed. The guards and headlights did, but I'm pretty sure the bonnets were the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th View Post
    Hi Gary, I don't think the bonnets changed. The guards and headlights did, but I'm pretty sure the bonnets were the same.
    There are differences to the bonnet, it's been too long but one is the fold at the windscreen to accommodate the change of wipers from clapping hands style to parallel style. Others will step in here but I think the first nose was slightly more blunt at the front peak?

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    There are 3 bonnets. 1st and 2nd are nearly indistinguishable at a glance.

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    The change in nose style happened for the 63 model year, but clap-hand wipers continued to be used until the 65 model year. So it's possible that there were four bonnets: original, switch to second nose, switch from clap-hand wipers, switch to last nose.

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    How many does the parts list show?
    Early cars had the stay on the left, so there may be some minor differences there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    How many does the parts list show?
    Early cars had the stay on the left, so there may be some minor differences there too.

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    Manual 466 shows 2 part numbers, DS 852 - 2b and 2c with changes from September '62. From what I can see most of the changes relate to hinges/bonnet catches and release.



    I have a vague recollection of Arthur Lewis (Brisbane Citroen guru in the '70s) converting a 1st nose bonnet to 2nd so the basic shape might be the same for both.

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    "Déesse" Roland Barthes, 'Mythologies', 1957

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    Yes someone on here should go on as a D specialist, its amusing enough but add a D tragic and it would be the best entertainment yet.
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    I think I'm suffering from PME...... Parts Manual Envy.
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    I have at least 20 different D parts catalogues (that are called catalogues, not manuals; the repair manuals are called manuals). I looked up bonnets in some of them yesterday morning but was in too much of a hurry to post my findings. Now I am half a world away, I have to rely on memory.

    DS 852-2 is the earlier model with left hand stay referred to above. I see no reference to a D 852-2, even in the 1956 catalogue. (Generally, the earliest parts have a D prefix and at the first change a DS prefix was used.)

    There was some variation in windscreen washer nozzle mountings, too. My 1959 bonnet has only a central nozzle.

    DX 852-2 is the later second nose bonnet for DS19A and DS21, with parallel wipers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budge View Post
    I think I'm suffering from PME...... Parts Manual Envy.
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    Thanks for replies, Ive got I think is a early 62? bonnet which I may combine with second nose guards, undertray,bumper onto an donor "FRANKEN "D 3rd nose car,
    hope this does not offend!
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    Does the donor car have its original wings? Beware, third nose wings will not work with a 1st or 2nd nose bonnet. Third nose bonnets are considerably narrower than 1st or 2nd to make room for the quad headlights..
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    So you're basically trying to put an older style front (bonnet wings and bumper etc) onto a later style chassis - from the screen and doors back? Will that work? I think that the 'tusks' of an early car are different (and possibly shorter) than the 'tusks' of a later car? I had heard this - but you really need to hear from someone that has already tried this.

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    I know people who have done it and I don't think they had to modify the front horns.

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    Happy to be corrected on this point Roger. I have a 68 and occasionally (3 or 4 times a day) fantasise about putting a 67 frog eye nose on my car .....

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    Sorry Budge, I cannot advise you on the details because I have not gone into it in any detail.

    Maybe get some crappy front wings and have a play. They would be the critical panels because they mount to the frame and the bonnet mounts to them.

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    Hi Gary,

    Roger is right, as he always is . I've seen a couple that have been converted. The chassis legs, called 'front extensions', in the post 67 cars are longer but shouldn't need shortening. The pre 67 bumper will bolt on a little further back than the post 67 bumper.

    You have almost all the parts to do the change, but it's Citroen so it's a little more complicated. The front cross-member that holds the air-horns may be a problem. They were very different after the 67 change. At first the new shape was bolted on but sometime later they were welded in making changing a little more challenging.

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    my latest Citroen is a 1964 Safari that was converted to LHM and had late front wings,bonnet,DS23 engine with 5 speed and a 3 dial dash,

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