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    Default Heeellpp!! Latest victim of stoopid Citroen locking wheel bolts

    My Sunday arvo project was to replace the locking bolts on my C5 with bog standard ones. It has not, however, gone well.

    Got 2 of the 4 off (which have now been deposited in the bin) and replaced with ordinary bolts, but have slightly bent the pins in the locking key in the process, meaning the tyre lever now slides off the wheel if more than minimal force is applied (there is still some purchase left, but not much).

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    I've seen the Dynomec removal tool, but don't know if anyone in Melbourne has one to get the 2 remaining bolts out.

    I'm thinking of taking it back to the dealer to see what they can do but does anyone else have ideas as to how to get the 2 remaining blighters out?

    Don't really fancy shelling out several hundred dollars for a replacement key that will be used once.

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    Don't have an impact driver? If you can borrow an Attack Driver, it may do the trick.

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    No, but a tyre shop or panel beater round here should I suppose. Might see what $50 cash in hand will buy. Although I'll ask the dealer first I think...

    What an idiotic invention!
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    Strike the socket with a hammer to help seat it and use a cross brace (cheap) so you can push the socket into the bolt head as you turn. Rattle guns do this job well. So, might a suitable impact driver. Using a lever can tend to twist the special socket on the bolt head. If a pin has fallen out, you can always cut a length of welding rod or from a drill bit, which is hardened and will last much longer.

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    Thanks for the tips - I think a cross-brace seems like a good investment because the tyre lever that came with the tool kit was very cheap (no surprises really).

    But a trip to the dealer or a tyre shop (who are likely to have the tools) looks to be in order (they'll have impact drivers etc to get these things off or loose - or if necessary out - so I can get my other new bolts in).

    Far better to deal with this stuff now while I have the luxury of not having to deal with a flat tyre on the side of a busy road...

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    Tighten all of the bolts by hand rather than letting a workshop use a rattle gun. There should be a torque value in the handbook. It's 90Nm for quite a few models, which will feel quite tight, but check the handbook for your car.

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    Another good idea.

    So shopping list now stands at a torque wrench and a cross brace...

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    I have one in Perth waiting for me. It was ordered from France 3 weeks ago with the VIN number, the cost was 112:25.
    There are around 4 or 5 different caps. I tried a friends which was marked 'E' but it did not fit.
    I will pick up mine this week, let me know what letter is stamped on the cap, if mine is the same I
    can sent it to you. I did remove one with a 16mm single hex socket but it only worked once.
    The anti-theft bolts are made in two parts and can detach and slip.
    Nothing else worked.
    If you post the letter on the cap, someone may lend you one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MELso View Post
    My Sunday arvo project was to replace the locking bolts on my C5 with bog standard ones. It has not, however, gone well.

    Got 2 of the 4 off (which have now been deposited in the bin) and replaced with ordinary bolts, but have slightly bent the pins in the locking key in the process, meaning the tyre lever now slides off the wheel if more than minimal force is applied (there is still some purchase left, but not much).

    I've seen the Dynomec removal tool, but don't know if anyone in Melbourne has one to get the 2 remaining bolts out.

    I'm thinking of taking it back to the dealer to see what they can do but does anyone else have ideas as to how to get the 2 remaining blighters out?

    Don't really fancy shelling out several hundred dollars for a replacement key that will be used once.
    G'day,
    a similar thing happened to me with the 18E, a flat tyre, and a wheel which resisted being removed. Called Peugeot Assist, they couldn't remove it, resulting in a free tow to the dealer, [who probably tightened the thing originally.]
    Result: no more locking nuts.
    Recommendation : toss them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arunine View Post
    If you post the letter on the cap, someone may lend you one.
    Thanks for the kind offer. The key's in the boot at the moment and I was under the impression there were several combinations used.

    Anyway, I have to pester the dealer about my replacement windscreen trim and it's still within 3 month statutory warranty for used cars, so I'm leaning towards getting them to loosen the bolts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pug206gti View Post
    Recommendation : toss them.
    2 of the 4 have been tossed already.

    The other 2 spawn of the devil remain on the vehicle (for now)...

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    There is a previous thread on this issue.

    Nothing wrong with the security locking bolt! The issue is workshops; irrespective of whether it is Dealer, local mechanic, specialist workshop or tyre servicing place - they all use rattle guns. Rattle guns stuff up security locking bolts. Wheel bolts/ nuts need to be torqued up to a specified torque with a wheel brace that is obviously much lower than the rattle guns.

    I had to call for the RACV when I could not remove it, RACV mechanic had it towed to a Citroen Dealer (and I had to pay the extra mileage in cash) who had it towed to a specialist welder who welded a bolt to the security bolt in order to remove it!

    All replaced with conventional bolts, however not the security bolt's fault of butchers working on the modern motor vehicle.

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    PS: Just yesterday I had to get a burly friend to remove one wheel from the C5, I managed 3 of them but not the 3rd!
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    2 of the 4 have been tossed already.

    The other 2 spawn of the devil remain on the vehicle (for now)...

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    • Get the vehicle near a solid brick or concrete wall
    • Put the key onto the offensive stud and wheel brace on the key
    • Use the scissor jack horizontally to brace the wheel brace onto the key and hold tension
    • Swing wheel brace anticlockwise to loosed the offensive stud
    • Remove jack
    • Remove stud
    • Fling stud to the shithouse
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    Well, the dealer has said they'll be able to get the 2 remaining bolts off when they refit the windscreen trim so hopefully by Friday, I'll be shot of these <redacted> things.

    Having seen how weak the pins are in the key, my advice for anyone who stumbles across this thread and is thinking of ditching them is: Do it! It's far better to be removing them when you're parked in a quiet suburban street on a warm, dry day with 4 fully inflated tyres, than to be trying to get rid of them when you're changing a flat tyre on a busy road on a cold, wet night.

    (The replacement part number is 540567 or 5405.67 for cars with 17mm bolts. You can grab 4 of them from eBay for about $20 plus p&h and a nice strong crossbrace and be rid of them for good.)

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    As a long time reader of this forum and having had many problems solved, I thought I may be able to help solve this one. Just recently I had this problem when I got two new front tyres and the tyre fitter stuffed the key with his rattle gun. I went though the “get a new one from the dealer, but all too hard for the dealer attitude” so I did all the usual internet searches. I tried drilling the bolt out – forget that – the top bit of the bolt just comes off and you are then into hardened steel that not even a cobalt drill will drill into. I then tried some Irwin Bolt Grip sockets (19mm/3/4”). You hammer it on then undo with a 3/8” socket handle. I had all four off in about 15 minutes.

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    Never had an issue with them on my GTi180 and they were rattled on and off many a time (by myself, using a friend's rattle gun). I think the secret is knowing about and using the adjustable torque setting

    On the 207 GTi, DS3 and 208 GTi they were replaced with regular bolts as soon as I got the cars home from the dealer.

    Even at dealer prices (around $8 ea) they are a worthwhile investment. There's no point waiting for it to happen.
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    Not everyone has 'feel' for a rattle gun. You can control them quite effectively with care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Not everyone has 'feel' for a rattle gun. You can control them quite effectively with care.
    Totally agree. Same goes for almost all tools and machinery.

    Jo

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    Need some new front tyres on the C5 X7 tourer so time to replace the bolts. Picked up 4 at Continental $31.64 so 7.91 each

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    I don't take delivery of my new Citroens unless the locking studs have been replaced with standard studs by the dealer at no cost. Once bitten .... Robin

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    Ditto. All the Cit dealers have heard these stories from repeat owners, not to mention from their workshops, and they'll chuck them without a quibble.

    They are difficult to remove by design, but we aren't street parking in parts of Paris.

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    Well, $176 and several hours of labour later, the 2 remaining locking bolts have been drilled out and replaced (they were in so tightly that not even the key and an impact driver at the dealer could remove them; not covered by the statutory warranty or ACL either I don't think).

    The dealer informs me that this is not an infrequent occurrence (at least once or twice a week).

    My lessons from this rather expensive experience are:
    1. If you buy a new or used Peugeot or Citroen from an authorised Peugeot or Citroen dealer, insist as a condition of the contract of sale that they replace the locking bolts with standard bolts at their expense.
    2. If you buy a used Peugeot or Citroen from another used car dealer, purchase 4 new standard bolts (Part number 540567) and insist as a condition of the contract of sale that they replace the locking bolts with standard bolts you supply.
    3. If you are already the owner of a Peugeot or Citroen, buy 4 new standard bolts (Part number 540567) and replace them using the key and a strong cross-brace with a 17mm socket (not the flimsy thing in the standard kit).
    4. If one or more bolts refuse to budge, do not be tempted to keep going using the cross-brace. Doing so may damage the pins in the key. Use an impact driver to reduce the risk of damaging the pins in the key.
    5. I used the local Citroen dealer to drill the bolts out because the car was already there getting stuff done. Other places (tyre dealers/panel beaters) may be able to get the bolts out for less.
    6. Do not think replacement is a hassle and it won't be a problem for you. Flat tyres are random things, and the ability for you (or the RACV/NRMA etc) to be able to get the bolts out of your wheel easily if you have a flat tyre on the side of the road is an important consideration from a safety perspective. From a financial perspective, a tow is not going to be cheap thing either.

    In short, get rid of these dangerous, badly designed things ASAP!
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    Glad it's fixed. There isn't a dealer in the country that doesn't know about these things. If they know you are a 2nd time buyer thay'll chuck them before you even ask. Fortunately for us, there isn't much of a trade in stolen Cit wheels.

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    There's probably a horrid prank in fitting them to someone else's car...

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    You will possibly be reminded of that thought on the day of judgement.

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