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    I installed a 123 ignition that I had from a few years ago. I was keen to maintain the originality of that particular car so I ended up having the distributor reconditioned and the 123 became surplus.
    Decided to donate the distributor from the D Special to another car and and consequently installed the 123 into the D Special.
    I have to say, I'm really enjoying it. Haven't had a chance to really road test it in top gear and up hills, but the early indications around town are great, car is going like the clappers, you wouldn't normally hear anyone say that about a D Special. Once you get rid of the brown cap, there wouldn't be too many that would pick it.

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    I'm selling my 123, if anyone wants it. PM me.


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    I am putting points back into my Raid 2CV after having the 123 pack up in Marrickville one night, costing me a $200 flatbed trip to Sutherland. I have since had the card replaced ins the 123 and it is now on the town 2CV. I will put a Luminition ignition on the Raid car as it is easily converted back to points, which may be handy if it stuffs up in the middle of nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mberry View Post
    ...but the early indications around town are great, car is going like the clappers, you wouldn't normally hear anyone say that about a D Special. Once you get rid of the brown cap, there wouldn't be too many that would pick it...
    And what about the brown cardigan...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mberry View Post
    Once you get rid of the brown cap, there wouldn't be too many that would pick it.

    Very happy!
    Hi mberry. My first post here on Aussiefrogs.

    That picture looks fantastic and seems to answer a question i've had! I'm restoring my 1968 DS21 and it currently has a flat topped black Ducellier distributor cap. I assumed that if i switched to 123, I would have to use the cap that comes with the distributor or an alternative 123 cap. They seem to do a 'top exit' and 'stacked', but 123 don't seem to offer a flat top equivalent for the DS. What cap have you used please? Is it a 123 product is it conventional cap that just happens to fit?

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    Hi Budge! Welcome to the Dark Side.
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    The 'brown cardigan' stays, there is no way the car could proceed without it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budge View Post
    Hi mberry. My first post here on Aussiefrogs.

    That picture looks fantastic and seems to answer a question i've had! I'm restoring my 1968 DS21 and it currently has a flat topped black Ducellier distributor cap. I assumed that if i switched to 123, I would have to use the cap that comes with the distributor or an alternative 123 cap. They seem to do a 'top exit' and 'stacked', but 123 don't seem to offer a flat top equivalent for the DS. What cap have you used please? Is it a 123 product is it conventional cap that just happens to fit?

    Regards from the UK
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    The cap in the picture is a Ducellier cap, so my guess is anything that would have fit your Ducellier will be ok. Clean up your existing 'flat top' cap and fit it to your 123, you will know straight away.
    If you're unconvinced why not test the cap that came with the 123 ignition on the distributor that you have in the car. Then you can be certain it will fit.
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    John,
    hope you don't forget that even with Lumenition, you will need to carry an unmodified points box, since the post for the moving contact has to be removed when installing a Lumenition kit.

    I've been mucking around with making my own electronic ignitions since the 1980s; this is the one I use nowadays, based on the readily available Accuspark kits for vehicles with a distributor.
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    I am putting points back into my Raid 2CV after having the 123 pack up in Marrickville one night, costing me a $200 flatbed trip to Sutherland. I have since had the card replaced ins the 123 and it is now on the town 2CV. I will put a Luminition ignition on the Raid car as it is easily converted back to points, which may be handy if it stuffs up in the middle of nowhere.

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    Thanks for the welcome Hotrodelectric. I hope i don't have need of your services (!), although with a 68 I have the inevitable problems of a front loom that has hardened and crumbled to dust - so major surgery or a full replacement will be needed. Shame - as i really don't like those new little coloured tags on the repos. Sure you can tell which wire is which, but they just look too modern to my eyes.

    Thanks for confirming its a Ducellier mberry. I haven't bought the 123 yet as I was still deep in the naval-gazing stage. My car is off the road (engine out for a rebuild - my first), so instead i will take my Ducellier cap along to the UK DS rally in June and try it on someone elses 123

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    When you order your 123Ignition, you can specify side entry or top entry - or at least you can with the Renault offerings. I can't imagine the Citroen ones would be much different. The dutch site seems to be the best I have found "leepak.com.nl" from memory.

    http://www.123ignition.nl/id/6.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken H View Post
    John,
    hope you don't forget that even with Lumenition, you will need to carry an unmodified points box, since the post for the moving contact has to be removed when installing a Lumenition kit.

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    Thanks for the reminder, Ken. Yes, I do have both a Lumenition box and a normal points box.

    Ideally, I will get a new Lumenition as the old one died after over 22 years service. Sadly the 123 died after about 5 years, but lives on in my daily car after being refurbished. For Raid conditions, particularly river crossings, I prefer the lesser exposure of Lumenition compared with 123. With the latter, if water should get in, the whole unit is cactus. With Lumenition, I doubt that the light sensor is a susceptible and the main electronic componentry is well out of the way on the bulkhead.

    You obviously have a liking for galvanised chassis. Do you manufacture them or are you a major distributor of them? Or worse, do you have that many 2CV's with rotted chassis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budge View Post
    Hi mberry. My first post here on Aussiefrogs.

    That picture looks fantastic and seems to answer a question i've had! I'm restoring my 1968 DS21 and it currently has a flat topped black Ducellier distributor cap. I assumed that if i switched to 123, I would have to use the cap that comes with the distributor or an alternative 123 cap. They seem to do a 'top exit' and 'stacked', but 123 don't seem to offer a flat top equivalent for the DS. What cap have you used please? Is it a 123 product is it conventional cap that just happens to fit?

    Regards from the UK
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    I got a 'black' cap for my 123 on my D Super complete with rotor arm from Citrotech in Holland. The cap is made by Valeo. The box is in the car so will get a part number over the weekend and post it.
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    John,
    apologies for being a bit slow to reply, but my plan to ease off into retirement doesn't seem to be working too well...
    ( Two chassis en route to separate destinations in Australia at the moment, with an AKS400 type parked here ready to go to Sweden in a few days.)

    I've been making chassis since 1994 and have sold over 2,400 of them to date, but haven't advertised since the 2CV World Meeting at Kelso in 2005, so I guess there are still quite a few folk out there with OE chassis that have passed their 'sell-by' date.

    Anyhow, it looks as though the 2CV which I put together for Peta (Carter/Allingham) a while back will be setting off for its fifth Raid Australia in a little while, so hope this isn't the year that the wheels fall off that wagon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    You obviously have a liking for galvanised chassis. Do you manufacture them or are you a major distributor of them? Or worse, do you have that many 2CV's with rotted chassis?
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    Shame - as i really don't like those new little coloured tags on the repos. Sure you can tell which wire is which, but they just look too modern to my eyes.
    What do you mean by colored tags? I've not looked at one of the CitronPieces harnesses for quite awhile now. I use shrink tubing in the correct colors. I even have the mauve. If you get at the point where you need it now, I can supply you with some. Unfortunately, it isn't just the front. You'll need to replace everything from the dash forward, as the main loom is all one piece, and the black is interlaced throughout. The rear and fender looms aren't quite the problem, as they normally don't contain the black wire.
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    That would be great!

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    Here is an image of the Valeo 'Black' distributor Cap for a 123 Dizzy, Cap is right angled lead entry as per original.

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    Thanks very much. I will do some research. Will you be at the UK D rally in s couple of weeks time?

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    Hmmm.... That reference number comes up with a 'straight' cap, rather than right angle - and i can now see that that is what the picture on the Valeo box shows. Mberry (who started this thread) found a ruight angle cap that fitted his 123. looking at your vale box, it doesn't seem to be specially made for 123, so maybe I can get away with using my Ducellier cap when i get my 123.

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    Funnily enough when I bought a 123 for my ds 12 months ago it came with the right angles cap. Perhaps you just need to contact the supplier

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    Hmmm.... That reference number comes up with a 'straight' cap, rather than right angle - and i can now see that that is what the picture on the Valeo box shows. Mberry (who started this thread) found a ruight angle cap that fitted his 123. looking at your vale box, it doesn't seem to be specially made for 123, so maybe I can get away with using my Ducellier cap when i get my 123.

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    I'm sure you're right. As I'm restoring my car, i haven't got as far as the distributor yet. I'm just planning ahead! I've got a couple of great leads and possibles from AF so Im sure i can sort it out. I'm going to take a Ducellier cap to the UK 'D Rally' in June and see if anyone with 123 will let me try it on their car.

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    I'll repeat again for those who missed it in post #11, you can specify when you order your 123. See the link above in that post.

    "It comes with an angled distributor-cap, for easy access to the sparkplug-leads.
    Might you prefer un upright cap, please specify a '123\DS-R
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    From what i have seen, the angled cap is a 'stacked' cap- not one with all five sockets flat and in parallel to each other, like the one in picture in post 1

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