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    Icon6 I'll have what Harry's having. . .

    Forget Sally, I''l have what Harry's having. . .

    DS 23IE 5 speed BVH with a few mods - hydraulic handbrake on rear wheels - a little engine management tweaking, oh and Diravi steering. . .



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    Delta Mic wheels, too.
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    So that is what Harry looks like ... That's a really nicely made video. I'm glad they subtitled it!

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    Awesome. Great to see someone chucking one around too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    So that is what Harry looks like ... That's a really nicely made video. I'm glad they subtitled it!

    seeya,
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    PS: So how did he get the hydraulic handbrake working
    It would be good to hear from Harry (he occasionally looks in)

    My guess would be that he uses an isolator incorporated into the lever beside the driver which when activated closes off pressure to the front circuit and applies pressure only to the rear, the lever perhaps giving some feel as to what extent

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    "Déesse" Roland Barthes, 'Mythologies', 1957

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    Makes my efforts in Moby Dick look a bit tame!

    I notice he says they installed "Hydraulic Breaks" so maybe the braking system has been completely converted to a separate system in which case running the rear circuit through a master cylinder (like is done on "normal" rally cars here) and attaching the 'turning lever' to it would achieve the result.

    Personally I like the feeling of having 2500psi of braking power available at the twitch of a toe.

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    I'd love to know more about the modern engine management system and where to buy wheels like that. Cheers. Robin

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    I rekocn you could grab high pressure into a doseur valve. Using only the front output ... "T" it into the rear brake circuit. You could have the lever pushing against the doseur. The only issue I could see if if you applied the main brakes at the same time, the pressure would back feed through to the rear suspension and raise the rear of the car.

    edit: no the DS has a trolley valve on the main brakes, not a doseur, I'm not sure what higher pressure back feeding the trolley valve would do

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    Take another feed from the rear suspension circuit, feed through a doseur valve pinched from a CX and feed into the rear brake circuit. The doseur valve is just a pressure transformer so I don't see how it can feed pressure back into the suspension circuit or the other brake circuit. He probable has another brake pedal to operate it. The new way to left foot brake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    Take another feed from the rear suspension circuit, feed through a doseur valve pinched from a CX and feed into the rear brake circuit. The doseur valve is just a pressure transformer so I don't see how it can feed pressure back into the suspension circuit or the other brake circuit. He probable has another brake pedal to operate it. The new way to left foot brake.
    It has to be from high pressure. You will not get enough pressure to lock the wheels from the rear suspension circuit
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    Would make a good entry for the Netherlander Hill Climb Championships. (speed bumps)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    He probable has another brake pedal to operate it. The new way to left foot brake.
    This looks like a lever to control the rear brakes, so no additional pedals?



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    With Harry's engineering skills and knowledge of Citroen systems it appears there is little he cannot achieve. He's a lovely bloke too - always good for a chat and a laugh at ICCCR.
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    I'll copy the link for this thread and share it to him on FB.
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    HARRY MARTENS......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hoffmann View Post
    I'd love to know more about the modern engine management system and where to buy wheels like that. Cheers. Robin
    Those are period aftermarket Delta Mic wheels. They are almost as hard to find as original Rous Resine wheels. For what it's worth though, you can fit of all things, the wheels from a Ford Transit Van. There are some fairly attractive aftermarket wheels for the Transit IMHO. As far as I know the Transit is the only other vehicle on the planet with a 5 x 160mm bolt pattern. The ET is a bit more so you may have to fit a spacer.
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    i have some fresh pics from Harry just received via Facebook. He's onsite ready for the day to kick off in about 90 minutes.

    Now if I could just get AF to upload the pics...
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    For Harry, I'd love to know more about the modern engine management system. Have you ever thought about putting together a kit so that 21 IE and 23 IE owners like me could upgrade to a more modern system if they wanted to. The D-Jetronic ECUs are starting to show their age with dry joints, failed components etc. I had mine overhauled/resoldered and I have a spare 23 IE ECU (complete, but very rusty 5 speed car actually), but that option isn't always going to be around. Cheers, Robin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Hoffmann View Post
    For Harry, I'd love to know more about the modern engine management system. Have you ever thought about putting together a kit so that 21 IE and 23 IE owners like me could upgrade to a more modern system if they wanted to. The D-Jetronic ECUs are starting to show their age with dry joints, failed components etc. I had mine overhauled/resoldered and I have a spare 23 IE ECU (complete, but very rusty 5 speed car actually), but that option isn't always going to be around. Cheers, Robin
    Me too. I'm wondering if maybe it uses a Lumenition eye to drive a Megasquirt?

    Also wondering whether it's on standard spheres or has got XM firmness regulators fitted. I did that to the front of my D to great effect.
    Like the car Harry

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    Maybe it's a bridge not joined here but on Crackbook; I can't find out what event the display is at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Maybe it's a bridge not joined here but on Crackbook; I can't find out what event the display is at.
    Best guess Citromobile Amsterdam - Huge event!!

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    How do we get those rotors in the 2nd last pic!!!?
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    Hi, this is how I installed the hydraulic handbrake.I'll  have what Harry's having. . .-img_2463.jpg
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    Special rotors will be installed in my car in the coming few weeks. Will keep you updated how all is working and if I will make kit.

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