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    Default 1959 DS for sale...USA

    with a $610 bid this could be an early DS for someone at reasonable cost...

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    Caring Transitions ... where we sell off grandma's stuff (and maybe granny too) to the highest bidder.
    Sounds a bit like "The Widow's Friend".

    The car looks surprisingly original and pretty in period pink paint. Manual trans, but a missing gearbox and head, but not the engine itself. I guess their error is because it's around the wrong way compared with any 'normal' car. It wouldn't be too difficult to find the missing parts. There seem to be some onerous and even punitive conditions involved, plus 15% buyer's premium and 8% sales tax on top.

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    It's not a DS anyway, it's an ID.
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    Dash and trim look DS. Maybe, I can make out the power steering pinion???
    Windscreen trim, seats and door trims etc. could be changed, but the dash would likely be harder.

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    It's more likely to be a DS with an attempted conversion to BVM. See how the binnacle cover has been hacked to accomodate the shape of the DS wavy dash. The first front ID has a completely different ventilation system from the DS. It would be a seriously complex task to put an early DS dash in an early ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Dash and trim look DS. Maybe, I can make out the power steering pinion???
    Windscreen trim, seats and door trims etc. could be changed, but the dash would likely be harder.
    I reckon it is a DS that somebody has modded to be a gearstick car. It appears to have a small button brake something that an Id would not have had. I believe in 1959 an ID would have had a master cylinder brake pedal.

    Maybe the Citromatic was too troublesome and a manual conversion was easier to live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Dash and trim look DS. Maybe, I can make out the power steering pinion???
    Windscreen trim, seats and door trims etc. could be changed, but the dash would likely be harder.
    Dash is surprisingly easy. They all start from the same mounting points, the vent boxes are the same, and the base electrics are all the same. Changing out the transmission is a bit more work though, and that steering wheel looks suspiciously like a manual one. Whadda ya wanna bet the car has "Jesus!" brakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzelhund View Post
    I reckon it is a DS that somebody has modded to be a gearstick car. It appears to have a small button brake something that an Id would not have had. I believe in 1959 an ID would have had a master cylinder brake pedal.

    Maybe the Citromatic was too troublesome and a manual conversion was easier to live with.
    That would be a very complicated conversion, even for someone well-versed in D.

    Moreso than having been converted, the car might be a "bitsa". You know- a little bit of this, a little bit of that. It's possible the PO stated off with a pile of parts and a partial chassis, and went from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    Dash is surprisingly easy. They all start from the same mounting points, the vent boxes are the same, and the base electrics are all the same. Changing out the transmission is a bit more work though, and that steering wheel looks suspiciously like a manual one. Whadda ya wanna bet the car has "Jesus!" brakes?
    Aye! Vent boxes were different on the earliest cars and this might be one of them due to the dash. I'm not positive about this.

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    First nose DS had major ventilation differences from all other Dees. Two heater matrixes, one on each side. Both inside the dashboard, not in the engine compartment. Heater tap required several turns, but was supposed to be used only on or off, no in-between. Temperature control by opening or closing a flap, not via water tap. Demister did not use outside air but instead used a fan to take warm air from footwell to windscreen. Fan moved only windscreen air, not cabin air. Amount of warm air to rear footwell infinitely variable. Probably other differences I have forgotten just now. I suppose installing all that in an ID is possible, but I think I would rather do a gearbox swap.

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    It's a non Pallas DS.
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    weird ... it looks like they have put the id steering column surround (hacked down) into there before giving up on the conversion I wonder if the parts are in the boot to put it all back the way it should be
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    Anyone else notice this at the top?

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    This item is not for sale - just a test.

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    Seems like it is for sale and the vendor is replying to questions. Plus has added some more pictures showing it is a DS19 that has been partly hacked for a manual conversion. Larger versions at dropbox, but here are the relevant pictures under bonnet.
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    Maybe, the head is in the bag at the front? The rest of it might be lying about with the 'wagon' parts they plan to sell soon.

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    for someone who wants an early DS.... I repeat....it's cheap ....at $960
    Does no one like these cars in the States??
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    for someone who wants an early DS.... I repeat....it's cheap ....at $960
    Does no one like these cars in the States??
    The Series 1 cars, not so much. I think I'd like a Series 1 or 2 wagon, but even at that I would need to do the LHM conversion. I had a '62 ID, it was a neat old car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    for someone who wants an early DS.... I repeat....it's cheap ....at $960
    Does no one like these cars in the States??
    These went by the wayside because the 5 main cars were so robust and didn't require special tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    The Series 1 cars, not so much. I think I'd like a Series 1 or 2 wagon, but even at that I would need to do the LHM conversion. I had a '62 ID, it was a neat old car.


    Edit: hey, look at that- 3,000 posts! Party at my house....
    The wagon has a full tank of gas. I should leave now.
    Oops. The garage door doesn't open for another hour yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daffyduck View Post
    The wagon has a full tank of gas. I should leave now.
    Oops. The garage door doesn't open for another hour yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
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