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    Hi all
    I have posted a wanted ad in the parts section.
    Somehow I have been separated from the bolts and studs that connect the engine and gearbox of my project D Special.
    Should you have a surplus for your own requirements, please let me know
    Otherwise any suggestions for a supplier of 7mm bolts and 12mm studs would be appreciated

    Steve

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    Surely you have a parts car?

    If not, call Jane, ask nicely, then get along to Molong and grab one before they get scrapped. While you're there, get 2.

    You cannot work on a Dee without a parts car.

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    has she got an indicator stalk unit! And a windscreen washer stalk unit? I need...

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    Whole cars only, she wants clean grass for her cattle, not rusting sharp indigestible scrap that will kill cattle.

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    God how many has she got??

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumnoreason View Post
    God how many has she got??
    This should give an idea. Most of those white things you can see would be D roofs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    This should give an idea. Most of those white things you can see would be D roofs.

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    That is not just parts cars, that's a parts fleet!
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    They can only do that if people come and get them.
    Jane needs to restore her paddock.
    Otherwise they will be scrapped.

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    OMFG! I wish I was down that way. And cashed up. The pain....

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    Not much cash required... just enthusiasm and a car trailer, a bit of fuel, a phone call to line it up.
    Jane (and Bill before her) have put up with a fair bit of crap from tyre kicking freebee bludgers.
    These cars only exist because of a lot of foresight, a lot of enthusiasm, a fair bit of otherwise productive land and a heap of goodwill.
    Anyone wanting to get one should show respect, fit in with Jane's time constraints, pay a fair value (we are talking high tens low hundreds) and definitely don't leave a mess.

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    if you chase one up ... make sure it's a later car. A 1960 ID19 isn't going to be a lot of use if you own a 1970 DSpecial
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    The boot lid would fit........................ and the valvecaps !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    The boot lid would fit........................ and the valvecaps !
    Most of the fasteners other than m5 will fit .... the rear guards will physically fit too I guess As would the glass.
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    It's not really the ideal thread to do so, but to put this accumulation of old cars into some perspective ...

    I don't own them, but I do know the owners and co-compiled a numbered off listing of what's there for them as a way of efficiently dealing with them. Plenty of people know about the old Citroens (and others) at Molong and quite a few people have visited over the years. The most recent arrival would have been before 1995 and many have been there since the 1970's. A good portion are incomplete, some crashed or terminally rusted out, but all are well weathered. Only a very small number are sensibly restorable and a good number of the cars visible in the aerial picture have gone already.

    As Bob suggested, they should find new homes where possible, but the scrapper isn't coming next week to scoop them all up. That's not planned and the current price of scrap isn't a great incentive anyway. The issue with cattle and scrap iron is certainly a real one though. Some cars will inevitably be scrapped, but the preference is for some better use to be made of them.

    There are a couple of suitable wrecks that might be useful if Big Frog (located where?) decides he wants more spares than just a few bolts. You certainly don't want a 1960 ID as a spares car for a D Special and even the fasteners could have the larger heads and a different thread pitch. The bootlid may well fit, but it's not as though there is a field of cars with pristine panels or spare alloy bootlids! Rear guards also won't fit if the recipient car uses 185 tyres as the early guards lack the kick out at the back to clear the tyre. Most of the cars falling into the category Bob was referring to will be basket case red fluid ID19s or incomplete / partly cut down ID19B, ID20 or Specials. The better examples would have a greater fair value, depending on condition and specification.

    While Jane says she will allow people to visit if you call ahead, it might be simpler to initially send me a pm if you want information about particular models. That way, we can look to appropriate years / specs etc.. There aren't any Chapron versions or alloy boot lids going spare out there, just to clear that up! The most common model would be red fluid ID19s around 1960-odd, both French and Heidelberg.

    There are also a few other makes represented there too. A few I'd previously mentioned here:
    http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/aus...tral-west.html
    As far as I know most of those are still available, although I think the Lloyd has gone as have the Auto Unions, Reliant and most of the Borgwards.

    Parts have already been used from Molong for a number of D and Traction restorations. Here is one former long-time inhabitant of the paddock, which turned out to be a rare Golly variant and made a small stir in the Borgward world! See page 11 of this PDF:
    http://www.narc.org.au/wp-content/up...June-email.pdf
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    Hi David, well this is a bit of a revelation to me. I had heard of Molong in passing but thought it was a couple of cars, not maybe 30 or 40 mixed IDs and DSs.

    i have two cars I am trying to restore and no spare parts car so I have had and continue to have a lot of hassles with various bits and pieces.

    However knowing these cars are up there (9 hours away) doesn't help me that much since the effort to go up and retrieve one looks pretty massive. None the less I will send you a message asking about first and second nose IDs up to 1965/66.

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    Good God, Wally, get the truck fired up and get your tetanus shots up to date! Area 53 does exist!
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    Maybe brush up on herpetology too.
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    Wow ... I've never seen a traction parts car before ... i didn't know such a thing existed. I'd grab 1/2 dozen basket case D's and Tractions ..... just so there is some parts for people that want them (note: The main thing you'll get from parts cars is all the bits no-one wants usually. You see everything else will be to deteriorated to use .. ie: inside trim and body panels). It's possible to have several CX parts cars for example and barely a part anyone wants or needs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Wow ... I've never seen a traction parts car before ... i didn't know such a thing existed. I'd grab 1/2 dozen basket case D's and Tractions ..... just so there is some parts for people that want them
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Now is your chance to get that Traction you've always wanted instead of waiting around for the 11Bl.
    It would only take me 85 years to find time to restore it (after I win tattslotto to pay for it) I like my fathers Traction, oneday I'l buy it from him

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    It would only take me 85 years to find time to restore it (after I win tattslotto to pay for it) I like my fathers Traction, oneday I'l inherit it from him

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    It would only take me 85 years to find time to restore it (after I win tattslotto to pay for it) I like my fathers Traction, oneday I'l buy it from him

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    I was only joking!
    I am working on mine at the moment. I know how much hard work has to go into them even starting with a reasonably sound example. I am trying to rebuild a suitable surface to accept paint. So far 6 litres of U/coat and 5 litres of spray putty ( most of which gets rubbed off and then I need to put another coat of primer surfacer of all of that! It is coming up real smooth though.
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    BTW: Did anyone notice there was an early 2cv in the pile of parts cars. I'd already have dragged home 1/2 dozen tractions and DS's if it was anywhere near me .... just to make sure the scrap man didnt' get them!
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    As Gerry points out, starting with a solid car is a lot of work, so any paddock car will always be more involved if it's to be restored.

    That 2cv is missing a good deal, has a new home to go to and will be collected. Buttercup knows about that one. It's a '54 Slough version and the only 2cv there.

    In a paddock, Tractions have a the advantage over a D because they don't sink into the earth as easily. That grey Light 15 is an early postwar car. So, small boot and it's an even smaller boot after a tree fell on it years ago! Bit of work with a Porta-Power and a good buff and you are good to roll!

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