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    hmm... So it would appear that an engine mount has collapsed or fallen off or something as the engine moves rather violently now....

    I guess my question for the peers here is...

    WHOM do I trust to work on a car and WHERE do I procure parts...

    I guess without it being a hydraulic issues any competent mechanic can replace the mounts

    Do you fine ladies and gents have trusted resources for parts supplies that won't break the bank and can supply the correct parts for a 1985 CX 2500 GTi Turbo SerII (non intercooled)

    cheers Matt

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    If you put up a photo i might have one

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    I got some parts for mine from Adelaide. I'll find the details when I'm back home and message you.

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    The top engine mount is probably gone ... No biggie. It's an easy DIY job. Just grab an aftermarket bush for the top mount from this guy:

    Citroen CX Main Rear Engine Mount Pork Chop With Aftermarket Bush Fitted | eBay

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    Thanks guys - the top one looks to only be a couple of years old.. Very shiny and new..
    It looks intact etc..

    Honestly I don't really know what I'm looking at under the bonnet but I do know the engine pitches up and down a lot under load now and seems to be tilted forward more than it should be. It seems to have also pulled the clutch cable as with foot on the floor in first it creeps ever so slowly...

    When I'm home and can dig the car out I'll take pics (of what I'm not sure lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBoi View Post
    Thanks guys - the top one looks to only be a couple of years old.. Very shiny and new..
    It looks intact etc..

    Honestly I don't really know what I'm looking at under the bonnet but I do know the engine pitches up and down a lot under load now and seems to be tilted forward more than it should be. It seems to have also pulled the clutch cable as with foot on the floor in first it creeps ever so slowly...

    When I'm home and can dig the car out I'll take pics (of what I'm not sure lol)
    You need to get a mechanic ( or someone familar with CX's ) to look at this for you. The engine always flops around a lot, even with good mounts. But what your describing isn't right. Even flogged out engine mounts should cause this issue. Usually it's just massive drivestrain lash on gearchanges etc...

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    Well it was sudden.. Downshift to 2nd clutch out at roundabout and a rather large bang and gear stick moving about 2" left while in my hand.. Mere seconds prior a metallic tinkling under the car on the road...

    Lots of driveline shudder for the final 3km home (was returning from a training track day in Shepparton)

    Sorry I'm not too good at describing it.

    I guess I could get RACV to tow it to a nearby mechanic but then it will be stuck with them till I get parts lol

    Can engine mounts be made locally (if indeed that the issue)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBoi View Post
    Well it was sudden.. Downshift to 2nd clutch out at roundabout and a rather large bang and gear stick moving about 2" left while in my hand.. Mere seconds prior a metallic tinkling under the car on the road...

    Lots of driveline shudder for the final 3km home (was returning from a training track day in Shepparton)

    Sorry I'm not too good at describing it.

    I guess I could get RACV to tow it to a nearby mechanic but then it will be stuck with them till I get parts lol

    Can engine mounts be made locally (if indeed that the issue)
    Don't drive it. It sounds like you have a failed intermediate driveshaft bearing to me. (or possibly driveshaft joint, I have however never heard of a CX driveshaft completely failing).

    I'm pretty sure they are a standard bearing available at your local bearing shop.

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    Thanks Shane (the font of knowledge)
    I'll see about having it first checked by RACV dude then inevitably towed.

    A local joint is going to be cursing its arrival I fear...

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    OK - So I finally dragged the car out and got under to take a pic... rather oily under there ....
    so this is the culprit I believe.. should have a bolt in it yeah?? CX 2500 GTi Turbo SerII-getattachment.aspx.jpeg CX 2500 GTi Turbo SerII-getattachment-1.aspx.jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBoi View Post
    OK - So I finally dragged the car out and got under to take a pic... rather oily under there ....
    so this is the culprit I believe.. should have a bolt in it yeah?? Click image for larger version. 

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    And a HUGE washer ... Yes Well done!
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    Serious.. Just a big F**k off washer and bolt ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBoi View Post
    Serious.. Just a big F**k off washer and bolt ??
    Yeah ... you'll have to line the engine block up above it. The sump is threaded so you need to pass the bolt through. It mustn't have been tightened last time the engine was out (it's quite long). Does anyone know what size it is without me pulling one out? I'd have said M12 x 1.5 ....... But we need to verify!

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    Is it worth retracing your route to see if it is the gutter?

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    Hey Matt,

    my experience is you will need to have all the mounts checked and renewed, including gear box. I think we talked about this a long time ago. Mine is currently having engine mount replacements by Heka, except my gear box mount is perfect, but top and bottom are gone.

    the bottom mount will rot if oil gets to it, so if there is an oil leak from the engine on to the bottom mount it will rot away very fast. If it does the engine will move or slump forward causing undue stress on the top (torque) mount and will tear it. I experienced torque "rocking" on mine where the engine was rocking backwards and forwards.
    If the gear box mount is not the correct one or incorrectly installed or in poor condition you will experience wobble in the gear stick. When I drove your car before you bought it it had this wobble, but I was told this had been fixed under roadworthy. ?

    Spencer Street Auto will change the mounts for you but he will want you to supply the parts. However check for oil leaks first. CXbasis will supply mounts of basic quality.

    Shane's contact for parts yielded nothing for me. So Heka is making up the top mount for me.

    I have written about my issues recently in another thread. Even with my limited experience I believe that the turbo powered engine requires better engine mount engineering due to the additional torque stress, or at the very least better quality materials in the mounts, so poor condition mounts will show up very soon on the CX turbo.

    good luck and call me if you would like to discuss. I'm back and available on the 24th.


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    It's the sourcing of parts I'm struggling with.. I emailed a few 'Citroen specialists' and was either met with silence or 'it's not Aussie delivered so we can't help'

    My knowledge of mechanical stuff is very limited and I have HUGE trust issues with mechanics.

    It's sounding like just replacing & or even sourcing engine mounts is gonna cost the earth.. I think it may need to be wheeled back into the shed and ignored until I have some more $

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetBoi View Post
    It's the sourcing of parts I'm struggling with.. I emailed a few 'Citroen specialists' and was either met with silence or 'it's not Aussie delivered so we can't help'

    My knowledge of mechanical stuff is very limited and I have HUGE trust issues with mechanics.

    It's sounding like just replacing & or even sourcing engine mounts is gonna cost the earth.. I think it may need to be wheeled back into the shed and ignored until I have some more $
    You just need a bolt and washer !!!!

    Have you tried Martin Bray. Lower engine mounts are now being rebuilt. I think there being rebuilt in New Zealand and I think elastomer.eu is doing them as well. Top mounts are simple these days. Just about anyone cut turn down a bush to fit. Same deal with the gearbox mount

    I'll get some contact details as soon as groups.yahoo.com is backup

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    Hi Matt
    Top mount was new.
    Gearbox mount was 2 nd hand from Martin Bray.
    Lower mount was reconditioned from UK.
    Hope car is back on the road soon...
    Cheers Simon

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    Ah, Martin Bray was who I bought my parts from. I'll shoot you his details Matt in case you don't have them. He'd wrecked a turbo.

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    Oh he has Cammells car? That's a good car that's had much time and $$ spent on it. Just replace the bolt .......and check all of the other engine mount bolts too Just incase there loose too.

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