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    Citroen Cabriolet featured, prob too late to watch now but might be shown on SBS On Demand?

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    A great drive, with Jodie being a little less the scatty blonde than usual. I am guessing it was a '67 '21 BVH, as I think it appeared to have self levelling headlights.

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    Hi Richard,

    66 got them as well... so it could be a 66 or 67... not that it matters.

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    For anyone interested in having a look this episode can be viewed on SBS on Demand





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    The Déesse has all the characteristics of one of those objects fallen from another universe that fed the mania for novelty in the eighteenth century and a similar mania expressed by modern science fiction: the Déesse is first and foremost the new Nautilus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenut View Post
    A great drive, with Jodie being a little less the scatty blonde than usual. I am guessing it was a '67 '21 BVH, as I think it appeared to have self levelling headlights.

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    Lovely car. Definitely BVH but early front with single headlamps and the gorgeous spotlights in their own pods wasn't it?

    The program isn't on my watching list as they irritate me totally with their style and the content is so lightweight. It's a mix of British pump up and patronising. They hardly said anything technical about the DS, although to their credit they loved it and said so. No put downs about being quirky and hard to get used to because it is French, also to their credit. But no mention of the BVH system, the brakes or the ride?? Wow.

    The Range-Rover article was interesting but somewhat misleading. The good things about an early Range-Rover are remarkably good of course. Such a great concept, but:

    1. Until BMW bought them the quality was at times lousy, not least the dust sealing for the much praised but really bog standard tailgate arrangement that Phil the Greek stood on.
    2. Now owned by Tata of India, I think, they might actually be profitable and I'm told they might even be reliable.
    3. They set up an old one, a very capable off road vehicle, with quite the least appropriate Lexus which also had the wrong tyres for the job, and then rabbitted on about how a 40-year old R-R was better than a new Lexus. Delusionary. Still I'll bet the program is popular in the UK.

    Rant over. The DS cabrio was just lovely and thanks for posting in time for us to see it in Perth! I might manage to afford a DS, but for the divorce proceedings that would follow. However, the cabrios are well out of reach now. Alas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post

    The program isn't on my watching list as they irritate me totally with their style and the content is so lightweight. It's a mix of British pump up and patronising. They hardly said anything technical about the DS, although to their credit they loved it and said so. No put downs about being quirky and hard to get used to because it is French, also to their credit. But no mention of the BVH system, the brakes or the ride?? Wow.

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    Not on my must watch list either John, Friday night entertainment was pretty thin for my tastes last night, so for me the best of what was available. Like you I find the presenters and delivery lightweight and often excruciating!!

    Given what they had to work with last night, the Rangerover, DS Cabriolet, coverage of the Grand Prix de Monaco Historique and the Ford Mustang the content was there and it could have been a great show - just the wrong talent and poor research.

    Always good to see a DS gliding on it's home turf though

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    I agree with all the above comments, always nice to see a good looking ds, especially the rarer cabriolets, As for the show, I was not impressed on the first night for the same reasons that have been pointed out, but the final straw was when they describe the early mustangs as having "good handling" my first and only drive in one of these many years ago, demonstrated the terminal understeer as soon as you tried to corner at even quite moderate speeds.
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    In an earlier episode they also said that they kept up with the open wheeler cars on the track!!
    The truth was they were abysmal and the factory got in touch with Norm Beechey when he started to race one, to see what he had done to it.
    Things improved but still not great even today, following race prepared Mustangs through corners at Sandown in a stock 306 XSi meant I was slowing down to stop running into their boots.

    The bit about Range Rovers was extremely biased. I would have liked to see it up against a Land Cruiser rather the Lexus they used.
    Probably would have still beaten it but then you have to consider the Range Rovers lack of reliability. I wonder how a new Range Rover would fair?
    Having said that I do like the early 2 door Range Rovers if only for the style, both inside and out.




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    I agree with all the above comments, always nice to see a good looking ds, especially the rarer cabriolets, As for the show, I was not impressed on the first night for the same reasons that have been pointed out, but the final straw was when they describe the early mustangs as having "good handling" my first and only drive in one of these many years ago, demonstrated the terminal understeer as soon as you tried to corner at even quite moderate speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TassieExec View Post
    I agree with all the above comments, always nice to see a good looking ds, especially the rarer cabriolets, As for the show, I was not impressed on the first night for the same reasons that have been pointed out, but the final straw was when they describe the early mustangs as having "good handling" my first and only drive in one of these many years ago, demonstrated the terminal understeer as soon as you tried to corner at even quite moderate speeds.
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    Watched the RR piece, then the DS piece and gave up. Those two are a pair of twits and their poorly scripted and patronising carry on annoys the crap out me. I have already deleted the weekly recording setting on our DVR.

    Did no one else hear the DS tri-ax joints clacking away madly on left hand turns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRAHAM WALLIS View Post
    The bit about Range Rovers was extremely biased. I would have liked to see it up against a Land Cruiser rather the Lexus they used.
    It actually made me quite sick really....

    Having spent a lot of time out west in very remote places where only a 4x4 can go I don't think I've ever seen a Range Rover nor late model Discovery. The only Land Rover product I've seen is the Defender.

    It was a stupid comparison with the Lexus - an IS SUV vs a live axle 4x4 - completely different design philosophies for different purposes. I've no doubt a 55 series landcruiser, the equivalent Toyota product at the time (or a 40 series) would have followed the Rangie everywhere it went.

    And I'm sure the 40 or 55 would still be in one piece after a 10+ thousand km of corrugations - the same could not be said about the POS build quality of the Rover.

    Waste of space show sadly - the poince and the princess who would not know the end of a DS from a 911.

    Superb Decap tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TassieExec View Post
    I agree with all the above comments, always nice to see a good looking ds, especially the rarer cabriolets, As for the show, I was not impressed on the first night for the same reasons that have been pointed out, but the final straw was when they describe the early mustangs as having "good handling" my first and only drive in one of these many years ago, demonstrated the terminal understeer as soon as you tried to corner at even quite moderate speeds.
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    Am I the only one who heard the aweful driveshaft/CV rumble in the DS? Must have been right hand outer joint I think as it was left hand turns??
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    Am I the only one who heard the aweful driveshaft/CV rumble in the DS? Must have been right hand outer joint I think as it was left hand turns??

    I missed your post on first pass UFO, yes I did. Loud as ever, I knew right away when it was glossed over neither of them are in the slightest way mechanically minded
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds21bvh View Post
    It actually made me quite sick really....

    Having spent a lot of time out west in very remote places where only a 4x4 can go I don't think I've ever seen a Range Rover nor late model Discovery. The only Land Rover product I've seen is the Defender.

    It was a stupid comparison with the Lexus - an IS SUV vs a live axle 4x4 - completely different design philosophies for different purposes. I've no doubt a 55 series landcruiser, the equivalent Toyota product at the time (or a 40 series) would have followed the Rangie everywhere it went.

    And I'm sure the 40 or 55 would still be in one piece after a 10+ thousand km of corrugations - the same could not be said about the POS build quality of the Rover.

    Waste of space show sadly - the poince and the princess who would not know the end of a DS from a 911.

    Superb Decap tho.


    I couldn't agree more !!! a typical "expert" or "specialised" production that is really only for teenage boys ( as was WHEELS magazine .. and maybe still is !!! ) I was seriously incensed with the Top Gear team and their bigoted self serving presenter Jeremy Clarkson, only they had a twist ... demolition as well.
    Take a close look at the examples shown in Classic and Sports Car and Thoroughbred and Classic Cars UK magazines. Ever wanted to buy a TR 6 for example with half a wire spoke wheel covered in lead weights ??? Yet presented as Classic best available ... No way. Bodged surely is.
    Also their selected used cars for sale columns... reference is often made to oil levels and colour and tread depth but no reference to how OLD the tyres are. Pose value only.
    While I am on the rant here caravan magazines are useless too. They almost never describe or photograph the suspension design and almost certainly never mention the framework .. and as a buyer I want to know whether the framework is wood ( usually crap meranti ) aluminium or sandwich.
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    I saw part of an episode recently. Awful show based on what I saw. So, I'm on the criticism bandwagon ...
    Male presenter has the presence of a stump and the female presenter, when unable to pronounce the name of the location in France, was just quite rudely dismissive. Just reinforced the reputation of Poms having complete disdain for their Continental friends and quite unnecessary. No doubt they drive and review some very interesting cars, but those predictions about upcoming classics are like a stock picker spruiking particular equities.
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    Then there's the "secret underground bunker" tossery they wank on with. Sheesh!

    (hint - it's a bloody TV studio you idiots).
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    Quote Originally Posted by HONG KONG PUGGY View Post
    It handled because it was a bloody track special. Wasn't a Shelby built car as I think he started with Mustang in 67. They should have had a road going version but who'd let anyone drive a pristine 65 Mustang on a track.
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    Slightly off topic, but I've got to agree with Fritzelhund regarding reporting in the media, especially print, for potential consumers. For example, I'm getting another toy plate boat for messing about in, and when researching the written word on my chosen model I'm dismayed at the subjectivity of the usual "report" on my boat, or any local boat really, regards specifications, ride, design, value for money, quality etc etc.
    Ive not been able to find one objective, sober analysis of the various models of boats either in comparison to each other, or as stand-alone test results. Apparently, all new plate boats built either here or in NZ are wonderful, great value, quick as cut cats, and will improve your libido.
    They have no design flaws, no poor feedback from long term owners, and could only be improved if the drivers seat was a bit bigger/smaller/closer or further from the helm. In other words, you can personally adjust or change at little expense the only negative thing the unbiased scribe could discern about the boat! The message is (in less than subliminal fashion) get out there and buy, buy, buy.
    Same story with caravans and motor homes, of course. As with boats, the "reviewers" gush with praise over the simplest of standard features, as if it's unique, and read more like the "Free Steak Knives" guy, than a "test" in a magazine that one may have been silly enough to pay good money for at the corner Newsagents.
    The "journalists" who "test/review/compare/examine" these expensive toys are just repeating the makers PR, as if it were proven facts, and adding a fair bit of window-shopping lust of their own. Haven't these clowns got a boat/van of their own?
    The alternative is to trawl the forums on your particular object of desire, and be barraged by owners biased opinions, based on blind love or pride, or the ill informed haters spreading BS rumours. Almost as useless as the "paid for" media mentioned above.

    Despite the "fearful and free favours given" nature of the media here when it comes to this mug trying to glean the truth as to which product is most worthy of bearing my noble backside into parts unknown, one still has to make a decision.
    So I've decided, after many mistakes, to let MkI and MkII eyeballs do the estimations for me. They come already fitted into my head, and I usually trust the signals they send me. Then, it's just the little matter of not paying too much for ones choice; something I know nothing about.

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    The vendors are also the advertisers that pay the bills in many situations. Telling the bald truth about a flawed or simply so-so product would probably be detrimental to the media outlet. You have to read any form of faint praise as damning and assume it's a case of accentuate the positives and gloss over the negatives.

    I wonder what the reviews of Samsung's finest toploaders revealed??? 'has a tendency to become quite warm in operation' ???

    A further thought is that many of the journos shuffle around different mastheads and so they really may not be on top of their game or have sufficient experience and wisdom to make a genuinely informed evaluation, so possibly parrot the PR blurb rather closely at times to avoid an embarrassment.

    You may be better off listing which features you are concerned about and asking on a relevant online forum. The libido question would always be rather subjective and all claims should be treated with due suspicion.
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    I simply cannot stand the presenters. The guy that does the bargain section, though annoying is the only one that seems to "get it". I decided I simply can't stand the presenters 'cos of there snobby attitudes (even though it's likely put on). His porsche 928 segment managed to fit interesting details into it (the game rubbish aside ).

    They spend most of the range rover bit prattling on about its snob value ... and how it can be parked beside roll royces etc..... FFS .... who cares about that, it's designers intended to build a capable offroader, which they managed.... the fact all the snobs found it appealing came later. Don't all 4wds have a drop down tailgate Really, that's the best feature they could come up with

    The ridiculous comparison to a lexus (which is just AWD built to look like a big 4wd so chubby peroxide blonde middle aged women will want them) ... What they did without realising is graphically illustrate why the range rovers are so capable offroad. Axle articulation... if the wheels stay on the ground, it'll be less likely to get stuck. Even against modern real 4wds it does well in this respect



    you'll find modern land rovers with the traction control will do way better than it. Where's the mention of boge load levellers, 4 wheel disc brakes, 4 wheel coil spring self levelling suspension, full time 4wd for good handling at all times... transfer case with diff locks etc... (this is 1970 remember) ... Who cares if people that care only about image find it appealing

    That poor DS with the clattering driveshaft. I didn't realise you could wear out a DS driveshaft What an absolutely staggering car. The photography of it was spectacular. Did you notice you couldn't even tell the DS went over a speedhump at one point, but the big bus following went up and over.

    Don't start me on the mustang .... Why didn't they get a bog stand 6cylinder automatic with no anti-rollbars and drum brakes .... The one they used was a heavily modified race car that you couldn't drive on public roads... It was a "whole" 2seconds faster than a standard factory luxobarge Mercedes automatic. That's just appallingly sad for a dedicated racecar.

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    Bullsh*t Shane... articulation - it's a myth...

    All you need is one of these....LOL

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    as soon as it leaks (which they all do) the frame turns to soggy tissue paper (sadly no exaggeration). Incredibly expensive and indepth to repair.... so everyone just leaves the rotten frame hidden and paints them inside to hide the perished, water stained ply inside and sells them as "fully renovated". You think I'm talking old caravans I'd buy right??

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    The poms are so far ahead of the flimsy, wooden, leaky box ontop of a strong chassis made in australia it's not funny. From 3:30 in it get interesting....Scroll the video ahead to 6minutes and tell me would any aussie no matter how "offroad" and massive survive what this flimsy pommy 'van gets put through ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds21bvh View Post
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    Spot on Shane. The presenters didn't even notice that they didn't feel that speed hump. And they completely missed what actually mattered about the Range-Rover. All that in 1970, as you said. Hopeless program.
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