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    Ok,

    I know there have been a few threads about replacement rims but I am just checking for any possible new info people might have.

    CX Series 2 Turbo 2
    PCD 5x98
    Centre Hole 58mm
    Offset - Unknown at this point
    Planned tyre size 215/50/R16 (that keeps original diameter)
    Used this web page to assist in sizing.

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    I have been looking around for some rims with little success as I am not sure of the offset.

    I have found the Sienna rim from Speedy Wheels 16x6.5 These rims can be drilled to 5x98 but come with a standard offset of +38. I am told that is the same as an Alfa so I am thinking it will fit but just checking .

    Has anyone found any others in their looking or can suggest a manufacturer.
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    Shame they're not 5/108 or I'd gift you my 17" Speedys.

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    Alfa wheels are apparently 5 x 98mm .... the offset is quite right but quite a few poeple have used them

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    Addo just my luck.

    Shane, no we do not want Alpha rims. Want to be different.

    About to use google translate after tea but I think the offset is 45. Then have to figure out exactly what a 7mm difference does. Does it move the outside of the tyre closer/further away from body or the spats.

    If they drill the rims no returns.

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    Hi Laurie, I use the "1010tires" website for offset comparisons: Wheel Offset Calculator | 1010Tires.com Discount Online Tire and Wheel Store

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    thanks Addo

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    Found an old post by Robert Thorne

    Alfa 156 alloy wheels. From memory they are 16 x 6.5 with 225/50 tyres. They have the same 5 x 98 bolt centre PCD and the same 58mm centre bore size. Offset of 40mm is almost the same as the CX's 43mm ---
    required M12x1.25 (fine thread) wheel bolts

    So I have one number that I didn't have before: 43mm

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    There are some 17" alloys available for the Alfa GTV6 from the 80's with the right 45mm offset and bolt pattern. Might be some 16" ones too.

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    Marc,

    Are you saying that the offset for the CX S2 T2 is 45mm? That is exactly what I am trying to confirm so I can see what will fit so no spat or internal rubbing?

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    Yes that's correct. There's a useful page summing up the different CX wheels on the CX basis site and they're nearly all 45mm offset .: CXBASIS :.

    If you search for GTV6 wheels ET 45 on eBay there'll be a few aftermarket options come up with the right 5x98 bolt pattern.

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    Thank you,

    i had had seen that page and completely missed the offset.

    Laurie

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    just to throw more choice at you, you could use 5x100 pcd and wobbly bolts like mine has

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    why not original set of wheels?


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    I have them down the back. Need a few repairs. Tyres a bit expensive but still thinking of buying some for those times I want it to look more original. That might be some time off. As it is my daily driver, or will be soon, thinking it needs something easier to live with. New paint job needs nice new rims..

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    Refurbishing the originals would be cheaper than a new set with tyres (if they aren't TRXs)...

    Also, keep an eye out for wheels which can be purchased as blanks - ie, no stud pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    Refurbishing the originals would be cheaper than a new set with tyres (if they aren't TRXs)...

    Also, keep an eye out for wheels which can be purchased as blanks - ie, no stud pattern.
    I think 390mm TRX's are about $550 each if you can find them .........

    220 55VR390 Michelin TRX Radial blackwall Tire Rim Trim Ring Cap not Included | eBay

    Here's one ... a bit over $1000 each with delivery.

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    282 Euro each, plus freight, from Dougal at Longstone Tyres.

    http://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/page...helin-trx.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    282 Euro each, plus freight, from Dougal at Longstone Tyres.

    210/55VR390 Michelin TRX | Longstone Tyres
    Actually ... that's probably not to bad ... 216 euro ( minus vat ). + maybe 80euro delivery ?? About $475 each ?? A lot of coin for a daily driver.

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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    I have only ever seen these on one other car. I have no idea where they came from.
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    The turbo wheels are very nice .... they would be easy to bead blast and recoat.



    As always the garbage TRX tires are the issue though

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    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    They are turbo rims - TRX tyres needed. Yes the Turbo rims are very nice.

    I just rang up about the Rims and Tyres. The Black and Silver rim at the top is $185 each - drilled to size as they are blanks. I then asked about the tyres and the local bloke can do them for $180 each. So $365 a corner. That is less than the cost of just the tyre from the UK without having to get my rims tidied up. Then you have the problem of that you can't just buy 4 you need to buy 5 or 6 just in case you get a flat that can't be repaired. Rims haven't been on the car for years and years but have the scuff marks you would expect from age. A bit more than just a bead blast and paint unfortunately.

    The strange part is when I asked about the rubber the bloke said to me I have never sold a tyre in that size. I don't think they exist. We did find one - and I do mean ONE. Falken Ziex ZE912. I could go another size but this size gives me the exact dimensions of the old TRX setup. I do not need a car with the speedo out - even a little bit.

    Neil I don't want to go the wobbly nuts/bolt way if I can help it. Shouldn't be a worry but ....... I actually don't mind the ones at the top of the thread. Wife even picked the same one - thats a plus.

    Now to figure out if the 7mm inward movement will hit on anything on the inside. I was going to put some copper piping into the wheel arch area to bring AC to the rear AC unit. Car is in Brisbane so will have to wait till I get it back home.

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    If he has any wheels there in that size ... you can fit them up and see if they touch anywhere obvious without bolting them on as the car uses wheel bolts not studs .... you might need hub-centric rings to hold the wheels in place though.
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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    The rim size is an issue probably for tyre replacement. This size is a perfect replacement.

    Rim size (in): 16
    Alternate tire size: 215/50 R 16
    Total wheel diameter (mm / in): 621 / 24.5
    Percentage diameter difference to the original (%): 0

    The next best size in 16" is

    Rim size (in): 16
    Alternate tire size: 225/50 R 16
    Total wheel diameter (mm / in): 631 / 24.9
    Percentage diameter difference to the original (%): 1.6

    1.6% is not a huge difference but a difference. Looking at Bob Janes web page lots of tyre brands available.

    The next best size fit is in the 18" range - too big I think.

    so 17". Again you can get tyres that fit these. The issue is the profile.

    Rim size (in): 17
    Alternate tire size: 215/45 R 17
    Total wheel diameter (mm / in): 625 / 24.6
    Percentage diameter difference to the original (%): 0.6


    Rim size (in): 17
    Alternate tire size: 235/40 R 17
    Total wheel diameter (mm / in): 620 / 24.4
    Percentage diameter difference to the original (%): -0.2

    My C5 has 19" tyres with 40 profile. I drive my sisters with the 18" and I can feel it is not as hard. The 50 profile tyre at least gives you a little bit of comfort.

    Time for a glass of mental stimulant.
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