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    Default C5 Hydraulic fluid replacement.

    Today a hose clamp failed on my wife's 2003 C5. And the power steering and suspension fluid all five litres, ended up on the road. It was towed to a repairer who replaced the clamp, but wants $80 per litre for specialist fluid. Which will need to be couriered in at extra cost. Is this necessary? $400 is a shit load for 5 litres of anything. I would put straight automatic transmission fluid in it if it was just the power steering. But I am a Peugeot head and the mysteries of Citroen suspension are.. Well Mysteries.

    So in short. Can 'normal' hydraulic fluid do the trick, or is there a sound reason to use a dedicated Citroen fluid?

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    It's important to use the correct fluid, otherwise the car may spontaneously catch fire and flip onto its back, all wheels quivering feebly on the ends of their hydraulic "legs" like a cockroach that's been well hit with Mortein.

    Have you shopped around to see what independent suppliers want for LDS?
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    I don't know of a substitute hydraulic fluid for the C5/ C6 so LDS
    Contact David Cavanagh of French Connection (I'm guessing you're in Victoria).
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    If it's orange stuff in a Hydractive it MUST be LDS. It isn't hard to find. My local parts-for-most-things place keeps it in stock.

    Victorian distributors are here - Distributor Network. If you can't buy it direct they'll know who stocks it nearby.

    Penrite also have a fluid they say is to the same spec.

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    LDS? Not sure what you mean here.

    I know David C well. He sold my wife the car and me $1,000s worth of bits.
    I can give him a call tomorrow.

    But I am not in Melbourne, do I love to find out more about this LDS in a
    alternative products. I think that they saw her coming and thought: most expensive option with highest mark up for us.

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    The factory stuff will probably start at about $30-odd per litre, depending on where it comes from. It has been on offer as a Peugeot fluid via eBay for about that price and by a Sydney vendor who should know enough to mention Citroen in the listing headline. Full list + mechanic's markup + GST + freight could get you to $80/litre I guess. Penrite sells a version and it is probably the most easily found. EAI were selling a Ferodo version and it was of the order of $20 per litre when I bought some in Sydney last year.

    I can recall at least one earlier C5 that had been substantially topped up with LHM in error and had no problems after that had stayed in the system for the best part of a year, possibly longer. The two fluids are certainly miscible, but they are different, so it's not the best idea. Some parts, such as the strut return hoses, are used with both LHM (Xantia, XM) and LDS (C5).

    Brake fluid in the suspension and steering is the big error, but don't forget the C5 and C6 do use DOT4 in the braking system.

    Unless they can fully depressurise the hydraulics to check, set it to the lowest height and fill the reservoir to about the middle of the seam in the reservoir. Definitely, not checked at maximum height like the earlier LHM cars. Maybe exercise the steering and go up and down a couple of times to expel any air before a final check at the lowest setting.
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    Penrite's website lists a 'LDAS' that is a fully synthetic hydraulic fluid that is compatible with Citroen's Hydro pneumatic suspension. So i think that you guys have put me onto the correct stuff. Even if this stuff is $100 for a four litre bottle, it has to be better than $80 per litre. But I had figured that putting normal power steering or transmission fluid was not the best option. A bit like putting brake fluid in your power steering. You can do it, but you really shouldn't. So even though normal hydraulic fluid is probably safe, this LDAS OR LDS Or whatever it is sold has has to be a better option.


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    Quote Originally Posted by paulrb View Post
    Penrite's website lists a 'LDAS' that is a fully synthetic hydraulic fluid that is compatible with Citroen's Hydro pneumatic suspension. So i think that you guys have put me onto the correct stuff. Even if this stuff is $100 for a four litre bottle, it has to be better than $80 per litre. But I had figured that putting normal power steering or transmission fluid was not the best option. A bit like putting brake fluid in your power steering. You can do it, but you really shouldn't. So even though normal hydraulic fluid is probably safe, this LDAS OR LDS Or whatever it is sold has has to be a better option.


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    Penrite LDAS is no doubt OK but . . . it's a Green fluid and could cause confusion down the track. If you can find it close to you try to use LDS which is Orange.

    Try these Total distributors in Victoria (again I presume you are in Victoria)

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    ABSOLUTE LUBRICANTS
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    Tel: 61-3-9645 4999
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    Visit: BJ BEARINGS - Power Transmission & Industrial Supplies

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    Thanks. I'll give the total distributers a call in the morning. I'll see if they can improve on $80 a litre.

    Thanks for the info. It have been fantastic.


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    Sounds like this is a Citroen inspired fluid replacement interval of 12 years. If you cannot find one of these suppliers with LDS in stock, you might as well contact the importer for Australia which is Onshore oils at Hemmant in Brisbane and get it shipped directly to you.

    Sounds like the 1litre container I have in my boot might not be adequate for all circumstances.

    I am having an online chat with onshore oils are present and will report back if they come good with any info - they do not seem to list it on their product range - but I'm sure that is where I bought my 1litre container from ???

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    The Total product is Fluide LDS, and I would be confident that Onshore would have it, but the Victoria distributors woukd have it too. Onshore are great to deal with and the courier fee might be worth it.

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    Hi,
    Just to throw this in for the future information of others.
    The Citroen Car Club of NSW sell Fluide LDS to their members in 1 ltr bottles for $25. Have had it available for years now.
    Jaahn

    PS even $80 dollars a liter is heaps cheaper than printer ink
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    We put nearly 5 litres of Penrite LDAS in.

    We rang David C from French Connection and he said that the Penrite was interchangeable with the Total LDS. He reiterated that we needed to make sure that the fluid cannot mineral based. This is what a few of you also said.

    Autobarn sell the Penrite LDAS for $29.99 a litre. So for $150.00 we put the car back on the road, rather than the $400 we were quoted. This turned out to be what the local (Geelong, Vic) Citroen dealer were going to charge the local mechanic. This dealer also sells Great Wall and a few other makes of cars. Yet another dealer who owns a few badges and doesn't do our French cars justice.


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    The Ballarat mob usually have 20 litre "bottles" of the Total products in stock or in stock within a few days. I bought 20 litres for my BX for around $200 about 12 months ago. I'm not sure if the C5 fluid is that much dearer. The bottles look amazing! Square and plastic but sturdy.

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    Hi Guys,

    For what it's worth, LDS is a Synthetic LHM, so if your really stuck, LHM won't cause any damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaahn View Post
    Hi,
    Just to throw this in for the future information of others.
    The Citroen Car Club of NSW sell Fluide LDS to their members in 1 ltr bottles for $25. Have had it available for years now.
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    This thread has risen from the dead for some reason. I just repeat my statement above. JOIN !
    If you drive a vehicle with a fluid that is hard to get, then you might be wise to buy a bottle when you can, and put it in the boot for when you cannot That's what I did. I believe 1 ltr would cover most normal leaks on a trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Hi Guys,

    For what it's worth, LDS is a Synthetic LHM, so if your really stuck, LHM won't cause any damage.

    Best regards,

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    Greg, I recall stories in the Citroenian about people who mixed LHM into LDS systems and got mayonnaise. Non hydraulic functioning mayonnaise at that and pretty ordinary on chips.
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    Hi Craig,

    My info comes straight from the Greek God of Citroen, Spiro, (CC). He says that they have had a few cars come in with LHM, and they have just drained the fluid and replaced it with LDS.

    The quote, LDS is just a synthetic LHM is his.

    I suppose I've exposed one of my internal sources of info now.......Buggar!

    Best regards,

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    Best regards,

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    BTW,

    If you froth up LDS (aerate), it will turn a whitish colour, and its ability to aerate is why it sometime takes a while for the pump to prime after working on the hydraulics?

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    My source says for LDS:
    Hydrogenated dimerization products of 1-decene, 1-dodecene and 1-octene - >80%
    Alkoxylated long chain alkylamine
    Methyl methacrylate

    Don't breathe or swallow!

    LHM is a mixture of petroleum distillates with a little phosphate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Hi Craig,

    My info comes straight from the Greek God of Citroen, Spiro, (CC). He says that they have had a few cars come in with LHM, and they have just drained the fluid and replaced it with LDS.

    The quote, LDS is just a synthetic LHM is his.

    I suppose I've exposed one of my internal sources of info now.......Buggar!

    Best regards,

    Greg

    Best regards,

    Greg
    Spiro is frequently a source of lots of valuable information. We need a direct feed to that brain of his.
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    Hi Craig,

    I'm probably the closest you'll get......LOL.

    You need an interpreter, as he is Tasmanian........ ROFLOL

    Brightest guy I've ever known, and he's often given me info re problems this forum. This might be as good as it gets, as he works with Citroen 5 days, has his own cars, and little spare time.

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