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    Default Work on the DS21 continues

    Engine bay is coming up a treat on the DS21.

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    New wheels and tyres to be fitted any day now.

    There are still lots of 'parts cars' out there...I swear this one collected yesterday is beyond redemption, but I guess our colleagues in Europe would manage it!

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    Is that the 21BVH that was on gumtree I hope someone moves the BVH bits to another car if it's too far gone
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    No this is not that one Shane

    My car had oddly different driveshafts. This arrival is intended to sort out that problem.

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    Have you looked at the Gumtree car I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to look at. Photoshopped pictures says to me it's a desperate parts cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    .. My car had oddly different driveshafts. ...
    A mixture of aluminium and steel inner housings or does it have one of the later CV joint shafts?

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    The former David. Want to get it all right while apart.
    As you can see Shane, a 'rolling resto' still leaves one with hands full on a car like this. Anything else is strictly for the very brave hearts. The advantage of a running car is that you can see it all works. I wish I could remember the wise person on this forum who said that it's worth waiting for the absolutely right car for needs and circumstances back when I started looking for a D again. I thank them for that!

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    Someone with an earlier car might have a good use for the reject driveshaft. Spares cars are invaluable as a source of correct fasteners, shims and small fittings.

    How much heavier was the car and trailer after washing it down? Did it develop a list as it took on water?

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    Yep that's for sure - can save a lot of time to have a fairly complete parts car. There were plenty of gags like that flying around! Pallas gold! very rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    The former David. Want to get it all right while apart.
    As you can see Shane, a 'rolling resto' still leaves one with hands full on a car like this. Anything else is strictly for the very brave hearts. The advantage of a running car is that you can see it all works. I wish I could remember the wise person on this forum who said that it's worth waiting for the absolutely right car for needs and circumstances back when I started looking for a D again. I thank them for that!

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    Hi Tim,

    hope you do better than me. My "rolling resto" is gathering moss! It's not supposed to do that

    Cheers mark

    ps pictures of parts car??? Come on we need full disclosure! If anyone has a pre 1966 ID parts car in Victoria surplus to requirements, for heavens sake PLEASE contact me.
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    Well, it (the parts car) got started today and taken for a run down the street, so it actually goes after sitting in a paddock for 10 years! I think you need a gear box Mark (I can locate that for you).....and some seals for your callipers....have you tried DS motors in Brisbane? IDear where did you get yours? What else to get your beautiful ID on the go, Mark?


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    Hi Tim,

    i am hoping that doing the brakes will transform the car. The engine seems willing when revving with no load (although spitting a lot of black fluid out the exhaust, expecting rings are poor). However I now know the drivers side brake is dragging all the time which may explain the poor performance and various massive clunks on that side (drive shafts etc fighting the brakes).

    I am in touch with Pleiades in UK re brake O rings. Hoping they can supply correct EPDM ones (red fluidj types). When I pull the calipers out and disassemble them I may need help with parts like the clockwork mechanism or possbily the lever arm roller bearings. I don't think those are available from any supplier.

    i have new headlights on the way from europe. Suspension seems fine at present and still to change out rear spheres for reconditioned ones (thanks Richo). Need new front indicators and rear taillight lenses. Believe I have fixed fuel problems.

    Gear box is fine. The problem I had at the beginning was pure stupidity...

    "If" it makes a big difference and removes the front end knocks, I can enjoy the car for a while before undertaking a full engine rebuild, which I will have to outsource although with the help of RogerB's marvellous thread.

    I have booked the car in to appear at Motorclassica in a club display so I am trying to get it safe and driveable for that, it is not too far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leconte View Post
    ... i have new headlights on the way from europe. ...
    Intended for or at least adjustable to suit a RHD car?

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    Hi Mark,

    Great re Motoclassica. I will look out for you! I suspect your driveshaft bibax couplings will be perished and the cause of the clunks? Or tie rod ends, or steering relays...The rubber in the bibax couplings just falls apart with age and good clunks come from that! I'm sure yours will be the original rubber. Shane L's thread on the the callipers is astonishingly good, in case you've not seen it. An excellent insight to how it all comes together. I have some old callipers you can have if they are of any use down the track for bits. Glad to hear that the gearbox is ok. I thought you had a tooth off or something like that.

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    Has anyone replaced bibax coupling rubbers recently? I fluked some new rubbers years ago when I did mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    Hi Mark,

    Great re Motoclassica. I will look out for you! I suspect your driveshaft bibax couplings will be perished and the cause of the clunks? Or tie rod ends, or steering relays...The rubber in the bibax couplings just falls apart with age and good clunks come from that! I'm sure yours will be the original rubber. Shane L's thread on the the callipers is astonishingly good, in case you've not seen it. An excellent insight to how it all comes together. I have some old callipers you can have if they are of any use down the track for bits. Glad to hear that the gearbox is ok. I thought you had a tooth off or something like that.

    Tim


    Has anyone replaced bibax coupling rubbers recently? I fluked some new rubbers years ago when I did mine.
    I've got a shimmy at about 50mph that I reckon is the 52 year old bibax rubbers breaking up .... due to age. The driveshafts are 100% unworn. I think it was you that warned me that would happen as soon as I started driving the car...........

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    Have you seen them available anywhere? It's a great job to get done in terms of firming up the front end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    Have you seen them available anywhere? It's a great job to get done in terms of firming up the front end.

    Tim
    I have seen them around. I think andre pol and the "usuals" had them. They weren't hugely expensive from memory either.

    Oh, here we go ...

    Bibax Drive rubber for early type drive shaft 1965

    more expensive than I remember!

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    Excellent!

    Mark you need these. Both sides. No question. Grab em while you can. It's a relatively easy job too.

    Tim

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    A shimy at 50? You're doing well!

    Tyres Shane...sorry, it WILL happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    A shimy at 50? You're doing well!

    Tyres Shane...sorry, it WILL happen!

    Tim
    Same tyres on the other car don't do it ..... the only other thing I can think of is a partially seized driveshaft. surely that would eventually come good though

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    Is this the infamous shimmy when the front suspension mounting points are cracked ?? That is an engine out and reweld the posts through the H crossmember under the engine sump job. Bibax rubbers are only on long stroke type axles not a DS21 though some mineral fluid cars still were fitted with centre bolt 400mm wheels ( or was it the other way round ?? 5 bolt 380 wheels on vegetable cars fluid cars ?????????? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzelhund View Post
    Is this the infamous shimmy when the front suspension mounting points are cracked ?? That is an engine out and reweld the posts through the H crossmember under the engine sump job. Bibax rubbers are only on long stroke type axles not a DS21 though some mineral fluid cars still were fitted with centre bolt 400mm wheels ( or was it the other way round ?? 5 bolt 380 wheels on vegetable cars fluid cars ?????????? )
    Nah, checked for that when it was in bits
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    Shane I mean that I have to get your tyres to you still!

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    Russell Stuckey fitted these michelins personally! If you need tyres, see Geoff and Russell down on Sydney road.

    I taught the man who painted my rims in his school days. In fact I was his home group teacher. He was happy with me, so did a STERLING job on the Gris Rose finish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Intended for or at least adjustable to suit a RHD car?
    Hi David,

    The lenses on my 1962 car are Marchal type 523 and are non-directional. Left and right units are exactly the same. The ones on the 1965 car are Marchal type 109 which have a little moveable "switch" on the bulbholder mounting on the rear of the unit to switch it from left traffic to right traffic. However the lenses are still identical, the little switch slightly tilts the bulb holder to the left or right.

    The person at les-six-troenes.com - Home - Arnoud - has been extremely helpful and clarified matters referred to above - they specialise in lighting for TAs and later cars - and responsive. While I am yet to get my hands on the headlights I know they are coming through the shipment tracking.

    They will land as 2 NOS units and bulbholders for considerably less (around $160 each incl postage) than the local cost of refurbishing my existing units, which I had quotes for north of $250 each excluding new bulbholders.

    Cheers Mark

    ps I went through the box of GS parts you sent me for the first time recently. i reckon I still owe you many thanks, a slab of beer and a handshake should we ever meet! Thanks again. Mind you, I hope to never use most of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middlemoon.1 View Post
    Hi Mark,

    Great re Motoclassica. I will look out for you! I suspect your driveshaft bibax couplings will be perished and the cause of the clunks? Or tie rod ends, or steering relays...The rubber in the bibax couplings just falls apart with age and good clunks come from that! I'm sure yours will be the original rubber. Shane L's thread on the the callipers is astonishingly good, in case you've not seen it. An excellent insight to how it all comes together. I have some old callipers you can have if they are of any use down the track for bits. Glad to hear that the gearbox is ok. I thought you had a tooth off or something like that.

    Tim


    Has anyone replaced bibax coupling rubbers recently? I fluked some new rubbers years ago when I did mine.
    Hi Tim, CCOCA display at Motoclassica is on the Sunday of the event @ Melbourne Exhibition Buildings. Re BIbax, from the outside they "look ok" i.e. I can see solid looking rubber between the bolts. However you are probably right, with two such cars I should lay in spares...i did buy a secondhand set from Bob King (when I say set I mean driveshafts with Bibax units attached) but again I have not opened them up to see what they are like. Some many things to look into!

    Noone coming forward with an ID19 parts car for me either, sadly...


    ps yes I rang Lance Collins, in fact he was the first person I tried re brake seals. No-go.


    pps Yes i am all over Shane's thread (thanks Shane) and also, Rob Little has sent me a write up of reconditioning clockwork brakes that Richo wrote and was published in the Tasmanian Citroen Club journal. Also Caparobertsan's various posts and photos. All very helpful but the task is still daunting.
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