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    Default CX2200 Pallas Hatchback I saw for sale

    This is my first post but I saw a car that may be of interest to some on sale at Gray's online, a 1977 Citroen CX2200 Pallas
    1977 Citroen CX2200 Pallas Hatchback Auction (0002-5014789) | GraysOnline Australia

    I personally don't own a french car but a family member has a C3 HDI which I must say is nothing short of impressive in it's build quality and power. The little diesel in that thing pulls like a V8 and sure turned me into a diesel convert.

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    That's actually quite a nice looking car. There not a hatchback though... Don't bid on that one though (even though it appears very nice). The market value of a running driving registered CX2200 in that sort of condition would be < $3,000. Unregistered, not running .... not much more than scrap metal value sadly.

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    I'd guess Grays will run that through at lower and lower values until it finds a more sensible level.
    There's also a 7% buyer's premium to add on top.
    A Dutch auction with that starting point might be more appropriate.
    It's something of a survivor though and it's rare to see a 2200 in that condition.

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    I was a bit worried that it might be Laurie Lewis's (owns a green CX Pallas, lives in Armidale), but his is a 1978 2400 Pallas C-Matic.

    Anyway Henry - thanks for bringing it to everyone's attention, and welcome to Aussie Frogs!

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    If he gets the price he wants for it, I will be pleased
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    A nice looking car but no interior shots of it! The condition in the interior will make or break the value !
    It is a pity that everyone responding so far is talking the values of these cars down. I remember when TAs and Ds were dirt cheap by comparison with todays values. Give these cars time and the values will climb!
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    Hi Henry and welcome to Thunderdome!

    That is a reasonably nice car, but not a hatchback. There never was a CX hatchback save for the couple examples made by I think Heuliez in the '80s. Both the CX and the GS were designed at the same time, and I think were thought of along the same lines, but only the GS got the hatchback with the GSA in '79. PSA likely believed that with the different versions of the CX wagon and a relatively low sales volume, tooling up a CX hatchback was an unnecessary expense.
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    I agree with you Gerry. A good CX will be a valuable item in the not too distant future.

    There are some shots of the interior if you go deeper in the page. Appears only fair interior however with some splits in the leather on front seats so it is probably worth about $2,500 to $3K on spec. Body looks pretty straight and no apparent rust but it is a risk unless you can get in and inspect these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    A nice looking car but no interior shots of it! The condition in the interior will make or break the value !
    It is a pity that everyone responding so far is talking the values of these cars down. I remember when TAs and Ds were dirt cheap by comparison with todays values. Give these cars time and the values will climb!
    Have you placed a bid yet? Greg C probably needs to have another 'Oh what a feeling!' Prius moment.

    Whichever way we look at it, it's simply not worth 11K in today's market and will always be a 2200 4 speed manual.

    p.s. I also tend to think that people's value proposition may well change when daily transport moves inevitably towards non-fossil energy. Many 'classic' cars that people like as regular transport, particularly under the Vic rego scheme, will become relatively less appealing for that purpose.

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    David I think that the move to more modern power sources in the future will certainly limit the usability of "classic cars" in the future. However they will always be an object of interest and nostalgia for the way things were! People will still collect and display unique vehicles and accord them the values they deserve. One brings to mind Edwardian era vehicles that require 'White Spirit " for propulsion. You do not see these vehicles often but they are none the less valued, even though they are an anachronism today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    A nice looking car but no interior shots of it! The condition in the interior will make or break the value !
    It is a pity that everyone responding so far is talking the values of these cars down. I remember when TAs and Ds were dirt cheap by comparison with todays values. Give these cars time and the values will climb!
    I'm waiting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Have you placed a bid yet? Greg C probably needs to have another 'Oh what a feeling!' Prius moment.

    Whichever way we look at it, it's simply not worth 11K in today's market and will always be a 2200 4 speed manual.
    More interesting is the Turbo diesel Safari on carsales that has a $9k price tag. Has been there for quite a while though. The feeling I get in a CX is more of a swoon, no jumping up feeling, just a bit sad we we can't have their like now with a hybrid drive train
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    The CX2200 is my favourite CX. Light, simpler and just because it is not so precious, even crude, creates a "Devil could care attitude" in the way it can be driven - dare I say it, makes it a little bit more French

    That CX Safari is a bargain. I know the car. It belongs to a CCCQld member and it is not only rare but practical, economical and in very good condition. One can buy an old D or Cx & spend $10K & still not have 5 speeds or air-conditioning let alone a diesel. Turn it into a hire camper or sleek Coffee van & claim it as a business expense...I would if I hadn't invested so much in my three bangers.

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    The CX and Rover SDI 3500 of the time had similar body shapes (same designer?). One criticism I did read of the CX was that it was not a hatchback like the Rover. It might have been cooler in summer if it had been a hatch with a second rear curtain window like the XM

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    CX designer: Robert Opron

    Rover designers: David Bache & Charles Spencer "Spen" King

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    FYI

    Robert Opron was also responsible for designing;

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    Quote Originally Posted by IE23 View Post
    FYI

    Robert Opron was also responsible for designing;

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    Others? How can you relegate the GS to 'others'?

    I can also cut Spen King some slack. He was the one responsible for the original Range Rover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moulton2speed View Post
    The CX and Rover SDI 3500 of the time had similar body shapes (same designer?). One criticism I did read of the CX was that it was not a hatchback like the Rover. It might have been cooler in summer if it had been a hatch with a second rear curtain window like the XM

    Both Beutler and Caruna offered a hatch conversion. . .
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    Yep. Of all the CX saloons I've owned, driven and worked on, for many reasons the 2200 Pallas 4-speed is the pick of the bunch for me. The later ones were certainly built alot better, went faster and had more goodies, but they just don't feel as good to drive, as nice to work on, and of course they lost the original mid-70s styling (including the SM interior dome lamp just to name one .

    The only things I might do to improve my 2200 if I can be bothered is put in a different trans. and/or a modern MPFI system (that doesn't obstruct the rocker cover if such is possible) as well as a thermodynamically-engineered and modern HVAC system rather than the inadequate trial-and-error approaches we've all seen before. That said, the Weber and 4 speed do still work pretty well together, and the original HVAC system works well enough with the right combination of a few simple mods, the right clothing and weather.

    Unfortunately, for me, my idea of the perfect CX was never made, so I figure a modified early model would be the best way to get it. See how I feel once mine is back in regular use as the factory intended. There's only 24 hours in the day and life is short...

    If I had another one of me, I'd have grabbed that one on Ebay for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    ... and life is short...

    If I had another one of me, I'd have grabbed that one on Ebay for sure.
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