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    After having the roof off to fit a new seal and headlining, the radio aerial does not work now. I treated it with care but it is not possible to just fit a new lead. So, if anyone has a good s/h one I would be interested.

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    The Jaeger clock stopped working after I tried to start the engine with a very flat battery. Is it possible to prise the clock out from the front of the dash or do I have to remove the dash?

    Lastly, the interior lights have never worked for me because there is no power to them or to the door switches. I understand that this not unusual. I suspect that I do have to remove the dash to fix this?

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    Sounds like "usual" DS issues. check for continuity from the radio to the aeriel, I'd be suprised if it's the wiring that is the issue. Interior lights earth through the door pin. They get rusty and stop working. Whip one out and earth the wire behind it. If you have light, clean or replace the door pins and you should be fine (these fancy modern DS's that have fancy interior lighting... mine don't even have lights when the doors are opened ). Push the clock "set" button a few times, I bet you can get it started if you play with it. Once it's running, it'll probably work as a normal DS clock (ie: never be on the right time, a non-working clock it at least on the right time twice a day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tresbon2 View Post
    After having the roof off to fit a new seal and headlining, the radio aerial does not work now. I treated it with care but it is not possible to just fit a new lead. So, if anyone has a good s/h one I would be interested.

    The Jaeger clock stopped working after I tried to start the engine with a very flat battery. Is it possible to prise the clock out from the front of the dash or do I have to remove the dash?

    Lastly, the interior lights have never worked for me because there is no power to them or to the door switches. I understand that this not unusual. I suspect that I do have to remove the dash to fix this?

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    Don,
    Is it possible the radio aerial has just dislodged from the headunit? You can just replace the cable but I can't see why it would have been damaged. I have a new roof antenna spare if needed.

    The clock can be removed easily, it's just a press fit into the dash - two connections. They are problematic, there have been a few threads on the forum that may help to get yours going again. You may get away with just cleaning those two connections for a more positive power feed.

    Do your interior lights work via the switch on the dash? Try pulling the door switches on the inner 'A' pillar, careful not to lose the wiring into the void as you remove the switches. Again cleaning the contacts might be all that is required.

    Good luck, let us know how you go. . .

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    Hi Don-



    For your courtesy lights, don't strip the dash out just yet. There is a connection just under/to the side of the passenger side air box between front and rear, but that seldom goes bad. IIRC, we were the only ones to get switched power in the later cars, and that was because of the seat belt warning. Yours should be switched ground, with the B+ continuous to the center contact (Pallas) or the upper contact (all others with the ID style lamps). The switches are merely 3 different ways to give a ground path and turn the lamps on.

    Unlikely it's a blown fuse- there are several circuits fed from that one fuse, including your regulator.

    My checks would be to see if you have power at the lamps. Check to see if you get ground continuity either from the bulb socket base (Pallas) or the lower contact (all others). Make sure your bulbs are good- I have seen all blown. Pull the switches from the door posts and ensure that they are fully connected. The white terminal is to your lamps, the brown is to ground. Exercise caution in getting them out: They're unusually fragile, the connections pull off too easily and they just don't like being handled. Pull the switch from the dash and check to make sure it's connected. The terminals here are black to the lamp ground, brown to body ground. If you pull the lamps away from the headliner, brown becomes the lamp ground and black is power in.

    For any continuity checks, pull all of the bulbs from the circuit, or else you will be chasing your tail endlessly.
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    As Chris states, the clock is just a push in fit, you remove it by gently lifting the bottom edge of the clock up, try to exert a little upward pressure as you do so.

    Here's a litte write up I wrote which maybe of interest: My Pallas:: Jaegar clock renewal
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    If you remove the ashtray, you can easily push the clock out from behind.

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    Thanks for all the prompt responses and ideas. I will be in Sydney for a few days but will start on trying to fix these little problems ASAP.

    Don
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