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    Well, let's see now:

    No reversing lights,
    intermittent speedo,
    No gearbox info screen,
    "Clock spring" unravelled and screwed itself up,
    and today.... The blinker stalk fused itself in an outbursting of smoke - now won't go up or down (horn still works!)

    This car is insured for $6500. I am willing to pay someone $500.00 to steal it and set fire to it (keys will be in the glovebox...)

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    Looks like I have a rather busy 100 or so weekends ahead of me

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    whip the indicator switch out... if you pop it apart you can build the worn track back up with a smear of araldiate ... this appears to be a permanent fix as the araldite is higher quality than the shitty plastic.

    I did have piccies somewhere of how it's done, but can't find them.

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    Thanks Shane,
    I have a spare from an older model which seems in good nick so, if it works, I might just reinforce it with some epoxy I have here.
    The clock springs are still available from France. I should have mentioned some time ago that, once I find a part number that is still extant, I order it through here: CITROEN AUCH ACCESSOIRES
    I am going to have to fix the gearbox wiring at some stage.....

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    Don't worry ... if your like me you'll stick it out for a few years before you'd sooner see it burn than work on it .... and go buy a nice CX or DS

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    I am actually buying a CX from Tassie. Everybody goes on about the car not having power steering but, I just see it as less fluid leaks to worry about (as well as the insanely expensive column rebuild...). As far as difficulty with parking - never had a problem with my Hillman Minx.

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    Hey Warren, do what Shane said, pull out the stork switch... and see what has happened inside it... it might be a simple repair. Or swap it over for a different one...
    These Citroens are usually fixable... as long as you can work out what's happened.
    No reversing lights, usually a switch or wire fault/ disconnection... or the globes, or fuse, or earth.
    intermittant speedo... whip it out dismantle it, look for dry solder joints with a magnifier, re-solder them...
    No Gearbox info screen... possibly another dry joint or switch issue.

    The trick here is to fix every fault as soon as they occur... diligently.... otherwise you end up with a list of reasons why you should replace the entire car...
    And you get depressed on top of that.... no thanks.
    Good luck with it Warren...
    Let me know if you would like some help with any of it...

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    I'd be checking or replacing the main earths to begin with, then test the multifunction switch. Clocksprings die because of inept mechanics, stalks wear out. With any older French car, the purchase price is only your admission ticket.
    ...fix every fault as soon as they occur
    With the caveat of scheduling for affordability, this is absolutely the correct approach. But kvetching is far easier.

    Late XM wiring books are probably not that hard to find, else it may be on SEDRE. There's a lot of crossover with 605 but I hold my wiring books tightly!

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    Hi Warren,

    So your problems started after the clock spring problem? I experienced a very similar situation on a 405 where the mangled contacts shorted out and to out fuses - as a result there was an air bag light plus the temperature guage stopped working due to blown fuses. Could be you are dealing with something similar?

    So, before you despair, suggest removing the old clock spring, checking your fuses and see how many of the problems go away :-)

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    What on earth is a "clock spring" ... My brain is saying "don't be stupid, no modern car has a wind up clock" .....

    manual steered CX's ?? Buy on condition, retro-fit daravi ... They are NOT a nice vehicle to drive. The steering is VERY heavy, 4turns lock to lock... It feels massively nose heavy and feels to understeer like a barge at sea. Manual steered ID19's aren't bad to drive. CX's IMO suck without the daravi. It's a major part of the car.

    I have a CX parts car you can pull the steering from and retro-fit. It's not a minor job though

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    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Shane, YOU broke a clockspring, I can remember the posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Shane, YOU broke a clockspring, I can remember the posts.
    C'mon Adam, don't wind Shane's spring too tight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Shane, YOU broke a clockspring, I can remember the posts.
    Um ... I've broken so many things, you expect me to selectively remember just one instance
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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    It's the springy thing inside the steering wheel that connects to the wheel-mounted switches.

    Warren, you're welcome to parts here if they fit.

    Roger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Wilkinson View Post
    It's the springy thing inside the steering wheel that connects to the wheel-mounted switches.

    Warren, you're welcome to parts here if they fit.

    Roger
    OH ... the rotator coupling or whatever it's called. Yes I bought one of them years ago for the xantia..... I never did get around to fitting it though .... After all who needs an airbag

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    I do try to fix things as they break down - just brea down too fast for me to keep up. The clock spring is available from France at a reasonable price. Noticed that the blinker switch is also still available - Amazing! This is a year 2000 car with "Can-bus" wiring so, I will start at the rotary switch (attached to the gear change lever and, partially wired to the control box with the rest going out to the display, reversing light etc) on the gearbox checking all wiring along the path - no problem with bulbs or fuses. Probably should check the switch as well as, it may be worn... Roger, that was what I was looking for last time I was up there but, mine only fits 1999 and 2000 models with the radio controls on the steering wheel. Will be getting a Zantia part from France - exactly the same.

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    .... After all who needs an airbag

    I could say something, but I won't because I'm a nice guy.

    ............(so much wasted opportunity.......)
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    Where you thinking 'wind' ... as in 'air'? Even used as a verb would be appropriate here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    OH ... the rotator coupling or whatever it's called. Yes I bought one of them years ago for the xantia..... I never did get around to fitting it though .... After all who needs an airbag

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    Hi Shane, and I still have it, they supplied you with the wrong type...

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    Hi George,

    does that have the wiring for airbag and and radio controls and, if so, can I buy it from you?

    cheers

    Warren

    PS Shane, I will take your advice re steering on board and draw a couple of diagrams so I know exactly what I will need

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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th View Post
    Hi Shane, and I still have it, they supplied you with the wrong type...
    Really.... It was from the identical car supplied by Dave at french connection
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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRB View Post
    Hi George,

    does that have the wiring for airbag and and radio controls and, if so, can I buy it from you?

    cheers

    Warren

    PS Shane, I will take your advice re steering on board and draw a couple of diagrams so I know exactly what I will need
    Nah, the car it was from was no steering wheel controls.... just like the car I bought it for !

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    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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