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    Well I ve brought her home...
    This is the xantia that was on ebayski recently... picked it up cheap as I saw a decent car under the grime...
    When i picked it up it had a leak in the back end (still to be fixed), non functioning lights, no battery, and some cosmetic issues...
    I ve got the brake lights working, indicators are back on line... but the headlights are still not turning on... high beams work when stalk held back...
    Previous owner had the wiper arms taken off the car to prevent damage... 10 minutes and they were back on the car with fresh blades...
    Front left indicator has a crack in it... looked up stock at "allcrash" and I couldnt elieve it... only thing they had in stock for xantia were front left indicators... and were on clearance... $6 +$5 fright...

    She drives absolutely superbly... gear shifts are smooth... engine is smooth and powerful... and ride well above average... certainly better than my much longer wheelbase w210 e class...
    Dont know exactly why I bought her... she looked like she needed a helping hand... and after a bit of tlc i think she ll come up ok... A little gem. A non-citroen on the outside but look deeper and she is kinda "alright"...

    I ll post some pics as I detail her and do some repairs...
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    It may be your column switch contacts burned away, to stop the low beams. Nearly any stalk will work to replace it; 306/Xsara I, Berlingo M49, D8 406. New aftermarket are about $60 posted from OS. Fit bypass relays to avoid it a second time.

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    As you can see, she hasnt had a wash in a while... she is covered in dirt. Paint will need a few hours. Bonnet, where the bonnet support sits is damaged and bent... mirror, although broken from support is actually in one piece and should be repairable... drivers seat will need repair and whole interior will need a few hours cleaning.
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    Think I ll take the whole interior out... seats and carpets... I ll be able to clean everything without worrying about moisture saturation (even steam cleaners leave enough water under carpets to later cause unwanted smells) plus I need to take the drivers seat out anyway so I can repair the damaged bottom bolster.
    Rear carpet looks like it hasnt had a proper clean since new... But there are no tears and wear is light which means it ll come back like new...



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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    It may be your column switch contacts burned away, to stop the low beams. Nearly any stalk will work to replace it; 306/Xsara I, Berlingo M49, D8 406. New aftermarket are about $60 posted from OS. Fit bypass relays to avoid it a second time.
    I ll see... if I can fix it, I ll give it a go... but I do have a spare switch from my s16... when my sister had her s16, the stalk on that malfunctioned so I took the one out of my s16... We later bought another to put back in my car... I think I still have her old one here somewhere... might be fixable... not sure, either way a new replacement is not expensive... One thing I noticed... the top cover (part of the steering wheel surround), can it not be removed without taking steering wheel of... it looks like top part has a "hole" where steering column goes through... Any hints as to how to remove stalk without taking to plastic surround off?...one or two screws hold the stalk?? Net search seems to indicate non relayed Headlight set up... direct from stalk?... silly silly citroen...



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    As you can see... under-bonnet is "original" and relatively clean... Trans and engine oil look good but will do a full service this week... the ZF I assume is relatively easy to service? filter accessible via pan removal? I ve got to find a clip that holds the bonnet strut...



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    On a Series 1 you can't remove the cowl without removing the wheel, from memory.

    No relays in the headlights; I have the schematics. You need to put one in for the climate control too (40A with oversize spades) - if not done already.

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    Hmmm - didn't realise that S1 & S2 are different, but Haynes (which only covers S1) definitely says steering wheel must be removed to access the combination switches...


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    Excellent to see one being saved. The Xsara light switches are different to Xantia. They look the same but when you switch to high beam only the centre ones are on, whereas high beam should have all lights on in a Xantia. I fitted one to our S2 Xantia, that is how I know.

    I think after a thorough clean and full service she will come up very well.
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    I know why you bought the car, Dino. You want to join in the Citroen discussions with plenty of Xantia stories.

    The ZF transmission doesn't have any filters that you can get to without removing and stripping the gearbox. There are two drain plugs (5mm Allen Key?), one on the trans-axle, one on the sump. Hopefully you drop 2.4l. Be sure to fill with 2.4l of Dexron II. I have spoken to an automatic transmission specialist and that's all they do for a service plus keep your car for half a day and charge you a motza.

    After you wash and polish the car, remove the door protector strips, find another home for the spiders and then remove the "bright" strip from the black surround. Meguirs make some good stuff for the black plastic. Once the door protectors and side mirrors are tarted up, the whole car will look terrific.

    If you remove the rear bumper to coax out the dent, you have an ideal opportunity to install 4 reversing detectors. A kit costs about $35 on eBay with a 3 day delivery from China. If you are interested, I can supply photos of where to install the computer and which wires to tap into.

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    Good on you Dino, this should come up nicely with a little TLC, well done mate.

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    Congratulations on the Xantia....

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    Glad to see you got it, I was hoping it would go to an enthusiast when I saw it disappear from eBay. Yet again I couldn't justify buying another Xantia, even if was the same colour as my Hobart hatch.


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    Looks like a really nice car with a bit of neglect. Why people let such good machines decay is a mystery to me.

    One of the many good things about Xantias is that the body is very robust. A few switches, a set of new tee-pieces in the rear return lines and a damn good clean is what it needs. Not much evidence of things badly bodged up in the photos.
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    That is cheap but classy transport indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    On a Series 1 you can't remove the cowl without removing the wheel, from memory.

    No relays in the headlights; I have the schematics. You need to put one in for the climate control too (40A with oversize spades) - if not done already.
    We ll do as recommended. I still can not believe the one piece steering cowl. Just stupid. I m seriously tempted to put the base and top together (once repaired - plastic screw bases are cracked on bottom part of surround) and once secure glue section just under the wheel to the base and use a dremel to precisely cut two fine cuts so the cowl (top and bottom) can be removed without need to remove steering wheel... Its not like anybody could see directly under the steering wheel anyway. I ve removed a few steering wheels in my life but none that were airbagged... is it an easy job?



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    Easy enough. Locate the airbag screws, don't bugger the clockspring when removing the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    Excellent to see one being saved. The Xsara light switches are different to Xantia. They look the same but when you switch to high beam only the centre ones are on, whereas high beam should have all lights on in a Xantia. I fitted one to our S2 Xantia, that is how I know.

    I think after a thorough clean and full service she will come up very well.
    I think she ll come up alright... I gave her a quick wash and she is already looking much better... wash revealed that she is covered in "over-spray"... I knew there was a fair bit but its literally covered from ground up.... will need a good cut and plenty of clay bar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    I know why you bought the car, Dino. You want to join in the Citroen discussions with plenty of Xantia stories.

    The ZF transmission doesn't have any filters that you can get to without removing and stripping the gearbox. There are two drain plugs (5mm Allen Key?), one on the trans-axle, one on the sump. Hopefully you drop 2.4l. Be sure to fill with 2.4l of Dexron II. I have spoken to an automatic transmission specialist and that's all they do for a service plus keep your car for half a day and charge you a motza.

    After you wash and polish the car, remove the door protector strips, find another home for the spiders and then remove the "bright" strip from the black surround. Meguirs make some good stuff for the black plastic. Once the door protectors and side mirrors are tarted up, the whole car will look terrific.

    If you remove the rear bumper to coax out the dent, you have an ideal opportunity to install 4 reversing detectors. A kit costs about $35 on eBay with a 3 day delivery from China. If you are interested, I can supply photos of where to install the computer and which wires to tap into.

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    The way the xantias are keeping everybody so busy the cit forum needs a dedicated section to xantias...
    thank you for the advice on the ZF... My rear wheel drive mercs have always been easy to to service transmissions on... dump the oil...remove sump... change filter... fresh gasket...pan back up... refill.
    Think with the xantia I ll just drain and refill and maybe drain and refill again after a few hundred kays... oil looks alright though... doesnt smell or look burned... I m just being pedantic.
    I ll see how I go with the rear dent, should be an easy repair... sensors? I dont know... I ll see... not a huge fan of them but will consider... i ve got a spare screen and camera so might opt that route...
    thanks for your input... can not believe a lowly xantia can create so much passion... Have to say, she doesnt look extraordinary but she s a "lovely" little thing... for a FWD french estate... It wouldnt normally be my vehicle of choice... a bit dull. Just tells yaa... can not trust a book by its cover.



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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th View Post
    Good on you Dino, this should come up nicely with a little TLC, well done mate.
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    Congratulations on the Xantia....
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce H View Post
    Glad to see you got it, I was hoping it would go to an enthusiast when I saw it disappear from eBay. Yet again I couldn't justify buying another Xantia, even if was the same colour as my Hobart hatch.


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    Thank you guys... I m working on three cars at the moment (a man has to have a hobby)... But the xantia really has me tripping over my heels... not fallen hard for it... but I just love its ability... yet for a citroen its so conservatively styled...
    felt good driving something so capable while other road users almost dont notice it... an invisible tour the force... so much car for so little money. I can only imagine how great the activa turbo must be...



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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Looks like a really nice car with a bit of neglect. Why people let such good machines decay is a mystery to me.

    One of the many good things about Xantias is that the body is very robust. A few switches, a set of new tee-pieces in the rear return lines and a damn good clean is what it needs. Not much evidence of things badly bodged up in the photos.
    Exactly my thoughts... She doesnt have to be made perfect... she ll never be a prom queen... not an sm or a dee... still deserving though... think anything with spheres is worth saving.



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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Easy enough. Locate the airbag screws, don't bugger the clockspring when removing the wheel.
    I ll give it a go... This Thursday is when i ll hit her hard... I expect it to start to look heaps better by Thursday night...
    I ll post pics...

    Thanks for the advice...



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    Yes Dino, it's all about the ride, and Xantias ride very nicely indeed. I think the Xantia is a pretty modern looking car for it's age, I don't think they will ever look "funny"like some old Nissans and Toyotas and mazdas.

    Having just sorted some really strange little bugs out on My Xantia, here's what I recommend you do. Either get a brand new ignition switch, or remove it and bring it over to me, and I'll dismantle it in front of you, service and re-build it over a cup of coffee. This way you will know the switch will last the next 5 years or so. Fit a 40 amp relay to the fan/blower circuit, and ... this is really important, fit a parallel earth wire , very large, to the blower fan earth connection, connect that to the body. There's a perfect spot right in the LHS under the glovebox.
    Cheers... George

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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th View Post
    Yes Dino, it's all about the ride, and Xantias ride very nicely indeed. I think the Xantia is a pretty modern looking car for it's age, I don't think they will ever look "funny"like some old Nissans and Toyotas and mazdas.

    Having just sorted some really strange little bugs out on My Xantia, here's what I recommend you do. Either get a brand new ignition switch, or remove it and bring it over to me, and I'll dismantle it in front of you, service and re-build it over a cup of coffee. This way you will know the switch will last the next 5 years or so. Fit a 40 amp relay to the fan/blower circuit, and ... this is really important, fit a parallel earth wire , very large, to the blower fan earth connection, connect that to the body. There's a perfect spot right in the LHS under the glovebox.
    Cheers... George
    hi George... long time no see.
    Ignition switch seems to be fine... r they known for playing up?... i ve read your posts re. instrument cluster as I noticed the tacho is not working so when I have a go at the stalk i might pop the cluster out and check for dry joints... temp gauge is not working either although car was running fine... definitely not overheating... might be the sender... just another issue on a long list... but no major mechanical problems... little issues like these dont bother me to much and usually dont cost much to sort out...
    I ll get some relays tomorrow, come thursday I ll start digging... I m a fan of good earths so will follow your advice... I ve, on more than one occasion, improved light output by simply upgrading earth wire, good connectors and star washers... I m going to stick to established principles that we know work... Why they didnt get it right from the factory is puzzling... french and electronics

    There is one set of very thin wires that are hanging lose as pictured here:
    Know what these might be?



    They are just to the right and down from dead centre of pic...
    car had a "command" cruise fitted... ap300 from memory... module was tucked near the fuse box... but unplugged...not sure if broken group of wires are somehow involved... I ve ripped it out for the time being... not keen on aftermarket cruise controls unless i m sure its all wired "correctly"... might revisit it later... after I get the RWC. car had one of those old skool mobile kits fitted... but because I ve only gone over the car quickly thus far and havent traced the cable back to phone cradle, not sure if above mentioned wires might be part of phone kit... speaker and mike wiring perhaps... not sure, but wiring under steering wheel ceartinly needs a good tidy up.





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    What number codes are on the wires you ask about?

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