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    Default XM Suspension strut...

    I had all of my spheres replaced by a "Specialist" a couple of weeks ago. I could have done this quite easily but, I was feeling lazy and figured it would only cost around $400.
    I had a call from said "specialist" stating that they were having terrible difficulty removing the rear spheres and so, they would need to remove the swing arms so that they could clamp the struts and then remove the spheres. I did say to them that I had found myself in a similar situation with a CX and simply "Cracked" the spheres with the system fully preasurised. Not them, way too dangerous - well, just do them the way they wanted - wouldn't cost too much....
    $1100.00 later and I am delivered a car that is bleeding to death from the rear pasanger strut. "Oh" they said, we will have to order a "SEAL KIT" and "REBUILD" the strut because the fluid was escaping from the bellows breather and, it would probably cost another $200.

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    At this point, I am getting pissed.

    I called them the day after I picked up the car to question them about "STRUT SEAL KITS" and, they said the would get back to me.

    I ordered a new bellows boot from France - it arrived last week and I fitted it yesterday - no dramas and, nothing actually wrong with the one on it. It had just sliped down a bit so that the return fluid was going through both the breather and return lines.

    I called them up to let them know that I wouldn't be bringing the car back because I had fixed it myself. Told them what I had done and they said "but it needs a "SEAL KIT". I told them it no longer leaked and so, was happy.

    This "Specialist" seems to think that there are rubber seals within the strut itself. Bit of a worry really.......

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    There would be an internal seal, but the parts diagram may show only a complete cylinder and it will not have a kit of 4 parts as you find for a DS. It's rather like the pressure regulator, wich for XM is just shown as a 'circuit breaker' sealed unit, although it's basically the same unit used for most previous models, for which the individual parts are listed. The CX/BX/Xantia/C5 parts list may be useful in finding the correct seal, if you know the diameter of your piston.
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    sounds like they think the boot is a dust cover too me ..... and there shouldn't be LHM inside .............................. Which in almost every car except a Citroen would probably be right!
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    Yep - it is worth noting that the car was not leaking when I took it to them.
    I understood that the cylinder and plunger assembly have a fit of only a handfull of microns and so, the fluid that acts as the spring also lubricates the assemply and vents out back into the system via the top part of the boot. The other vent simply being an air vent for the movement of the bellows.
    Even if the strut had some wear, it would still vent via the fluid return pipe.
    I don't doubt that struts can wear but, it would seem that it takes a very long time for this to become significant. Mine have only done 160000k - I would expect the struts to outlast the rest of the car....

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    Probably this is a good place for me to ask how the fluid return goes down the return pipe not the breather pipe? I can't quite work it out. I know it is a silly question at one level....
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    you weren't in Ballarat tuesday night were you There appears to be a white XM in town now. It was parked on the main road into town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    you weren't in Ballarat tuesday night were you There appears to be a white XM in town now. It was parked on the main road into town.
    Yes I spotted that one on our way through to Sunbury yesterday. Pat commented on it too and decided that we think that white is a bit blank looking for an XM.
    As for Johns query all Citroen suspension cylinder boots have both a return and a breather pipe. The fluid return pipe sits lower on the boot than the breather hence the fluid flows back to the reservoir rather than out through the breather pipe unless there is excessive leaking and the return pipe is unable to cope with the flow!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    we think that white is a bit blank looking for an XM.
    we think that white is a bit blanc looking for an XM.

    Fixed it for you, Gerry.

    Roger

    PS I agree, my favourite XM colour is green, followed by burgundy.

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    John, there is a groove runing around the bottom of the outer sleeve that has the return hole. The inner rubber boot has a double seal inside it that ansures fluid cannot escape either side of the outlet. Really hard to describe but - it does work as my car is now leak free

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    Mine is green Shane

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    Pretty in green. Hides the leaks a little!

    The rear suspension cylinder should be like the Xantia. I had this diagram for a Xantia, but I'm unsure if the piston diameter is the same.

    XM Suspension strut...-xa_rearcyl.jpg


    p.s. Does anyone here own a grey (Gris Dolmen) 1991 XM with VIN ending 003AG2030 ?? It was once registered AOV62A I believe.
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    That is really interesting - if you look on the same site (CitroŽn Service, at an XM strut, the 3 seals are not included in the parts list and, the "external" are replaced by mouldings within the rubber boot on my car. No idea why they would have two different sealing solutions for what is prety much the same part....

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    PS - I am still looking for a parts car

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    For many later models, parts are listed as a sealed unit and the individual parts like seals are simply not listed as separate parts. If you know what you are dealing with, the part numbers can often be found by looking at a different model. This is likely to be the case here, but if it's not leaking now leave it alone.

    Did you not bid on the green eBay XM with the failed gearbox last week???

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    I have no idea whether WRB bid on it, but I was the one who bought it, mostly for its towbar. I am picking it up on Tuesday.

    WRB, are there particular parts you are looking for?

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    This is probably better here than George's C5 thread ... Roger, you may find it has the local supplement with the handbook in the eBay car, but I've scanned this from a 1997 XM for you anyway and it should apply for all ES9/4HP20 cars. It's only 10 pages and was very poorly produced to begin with. The tables were difficult to read, so I have enlarged them, but you will see engine 15K and gearbox 30K change intervals. The file is a PDF inside a zip file to overcome the 100k limit.
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    Thanks David, that's great. I can't believe how crappy it is!

    Roger

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    Hi Roger,

    I didn't know there was one for sale...
    I need the dashbourd cruise control switch. Also, I need to get the front suspension top strut rubbers on my car refurbished (Lithuania!!!) but, as this is my only car, I cannot take it off the road. If you let me have yours, I can put mine back on your car once I have them done. Also, I need to recondition the hydro pump (Peliedies in Queensland). Once again, I could give you my old one once mine has been reconditioned. I can take everything off and put it back once finished. let me know if this is okay or, if you would rather not have it on blocks for a few weeks.

    cheers
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    PS can I ask what you paid for it - I am kicking myself for not knowing about it

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    It's a late pump, surely? You can do it in a day yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    It's a late pump, surely? You can do it in a day yourself.
    there no really expensive new .... I didn't htink you could rebuild the 5cylinder pumps.....

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    Thanks Shane

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    Not the 5 piston pump as used on the PRV 12 Valve XM. 24 Valve cars use the 6+2 pump and deleted the flow divider as a result. Very similar to late 4 cylinder Xantia, but the body/mounting is different as far as I know. Could be common to the V6 Xantia though, but I've never checked. They can leak from a few o-rings, so replacing just those may resolve your problem inexpensively. They are listed by part number in Citroen Service. If the pump leaks excessively, it will drown the alternator, which is a very costly item itself from Citroen.

    What's wrong with the strut tops? They would be the late type on a 2000 model. Is the rubber torn?

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    Hello Warren,

    It was discussed in the Citroen eBay listing thread.

    $255.

    No charge if you come and remove the parts yourself.

    Roger

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    Thanks Roger,
    I will PM you after Christmas

    cheers

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    Hi David,

    The rubber is looking a bit worse for wear and, I don't want to risk one of the struts going through the bonnet so, best to have them refurbished...

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