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    That would be horrific to drive .... Let me at it He's probably right not to start it without replacing the cam belts on both engines!

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    Roger this car exhibits 100% one-upmanship on your project! Are you going to rise to the challenge?
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    At the 50th Anniversary Celebrations of the NSW CCC, there was a Raider who replaced the 425cc engine on his ripple bonnet 2CV with a 1280cc GS engine. As we were kicking tyres in the car park, he took a passenger for a drive. I have never seen a 2CV accelerate so fast down the road Apparently the gear change is a bit upside down, but the owner says you get used to it.

    I am looking forward to Raid 2016 to see how it performs on the interesting outback roads.

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    Some of the comments on bat are hugely entertaining. Pugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Roger this car exhibits 100% one-upmanship on your project! Are you going to rise to the challenge?
    But I bet it doesn't have hydraulic suspension !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    But I bet it doesn't have hydraulic suspension !!
    Yes, I suppose that I should feel disadvantaged with only one GS motor. Actually what I would have liked to have done with my project was to fit a big bike motor circa 200 hp, but at $10K for the motor, reversing gearbox/final drive and suitable brakes and drive-shafts it isn't going to happen.
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    At 120hp a Bmw 1200r would do the trick and it's a 2 cylinder air cooled boxer with a regular flywheel, marry that to a Gs 5 speed
    Or how about a subaru ej or fb engine, you can fit a Visa/Lna bellhousing to bring the engine back a little also
    I would luv a 2cv on hydraulics :thumbup:

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    There is an electric 2CV ute somewhere in Australia that lays rubber when it takes off (see YouTube) Also the Citroen M35 prototype rotary coupe had a 2CV chassis with DS hydraulics fitted where the horizontal springs normally connect either side. So not an impossible conversion. I'd love to do something like this and learn more. Anyone else interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinandfonic View Post
    There is an electric 2CV ute somewhere in Australia that lays rubber when it takes off (see YouTube) Also the Citroen M35 prototype rotary coupe had a 2CV chassis with DS hydraulics fitted where the horizontal springs normally connect either side. So not an impossible conversion. I'd love to do something like this and learn more. Anyone else interested?
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    This mob offer adapter kit to allow the BMW R series flat twin motorcycle engines to fitted to 2CV

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    Here is one scooting around a track

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinandfonic View Post
    There is an electric 2CV ute somewhere in Australia that lays rubber when it takes off (see YouTube) Also the Citroen M35 prototype rotary coupe had a 2CV chassis with DS hydraulics fitted where the horizontal springs normally connect either side. So not an impossible conversion. I'd love to do something like this and learn more. Anyone else interested?
    That ute is in Perth with a member of the Association of Citroen Enthusiasts. Interesting vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
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    Thanks for posting this, Chris - I had quite forgotten this thread. Things haven't moved as fast as I had hoped, due to work on the DS19 and the ID19. It's now this summer that it gets into paint. All the hard bits are now finished and from now on in it's a straight resto job.
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    A number of people in Europe have adapted hydraulic suspension onto the 2CV platform - check out www.flickr.com/photos/xbxg/13114889883/
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    This mob offer adapter kit to allow the BMW R series flat twin motorcycle engines to fitted to 2CV

    Here is one scooting around a track
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    Quote Originally Posted by lhs2.1 View Post
    Thanks for posting this, Chris - I had quite forgotten this thread. Things haven't moved as fast as I had hoped, due to work on the DS19 and the ID19. It's now this summer that it gets into paint. All the hard bits are now finished and from now on in it's a straight resto job.
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    That's looking absolutely spectacular. Have you ever talked to any engineers to see if it could possibly be engineered for road use

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    It all seems to be an extraordinary effort to turn a car that became synonymous with simplicity, bullet proof suspension and virtually unrollable handling characteristics, into something that is not.

    The 2CV has got to be the best fun car ever in its original form. You can drive it as a hoon, speed threading your way through the traffic and scaring the bejesus out of others as you corner at crazy angles. And all of this at speeds that will allow you to keep your licence (well, most of the time if you are not TOO enthusiastic).

    There is no way I would take a hydraulic Citroen over 25kph speed bumps at 80kph. But in a stupid car that can't differentiate between the clod behind the wheel and the clod under the tyre, its easy. Its also an instant loss of licence if you are caught, so I don't do this too often.

    When I beat someone at the traffic lights because my reflexes are quicker and I pay more attention to what is happening or when I take a corner at speeds they wouldn't try, its much more fun in a car that has specifications that suggest all of this is impossible.

    I still have the image in my mind of a 425cc ripple bonnet raider completing a hill climb on Raid 2008, when the 600cc cars couldn't. That car now has a GS engine and regardless of how steep the hill, it will never acheive the same admiration as it did in 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    It all seems to be an extraordinary effort to turn a car that became synonymous with simplicity, bullet proof suspension and virtually unrollable handling characteristics, into something that is not.

    The 2CV has got to be the best fun car ever in its original form. You can drive it as a hoon, speed threading your way through the traffic and scaring the bejesus out of others as you corner at crazy angles. And all of this at speeds that will allow you to keep your licence (well, most of the time if you are not TOO enthusiastic).

    There is no way I would take a hydraulic Citroen over 25kph speed bumps at 80kph. But in a stupid car that can't differentiate between the clod behind the wheel and the clod under the tyre, its easy. Its also an instant loss of licence if you are caught, so I don't do this too often.

    When I beat someone at the traffic lights because my reflexes are quicker and I pay more attention to what is happening or when I take a corner at speeds they wouldn't try, its much more fun in a car that has specifications that suggest all of this is impossible.

    I still have the image in my mind of a 425cc ripple bonnet raider completing a hill climb on Raid 2008, when the 600cc cars couldn't. That car now has a GS engine and regardless of how steep the hill, it will never acheive the same admiration as it did in 2008.

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    You have never driven a GS have you It's everything the 2cv is ... but better !! Speed bumps at 80km/h would be no problems. They will bend the lower arms due to people doing dumb things like this (though the same deal would probably completely destroy a modern citroen).
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    You are right, I have never driven a GS.

    There is (was) the wreck of a GS between Cairns and Cape York that didn't handle Raid 2000 as well as the 2CVs and was abandoned. We were also held up a bit with an Arcadiane that had a GS engine on Raid 2008. It had plenty of power, but we were always waiting for it to catch up. There may have been some driver blame associated with this vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    You are right, I have never driven a GS.

    There is (was) the wreck of a GS between Cairns and Cape York that didn't handle Raid 2000 as well as the 2CVs and was abandoned. We were also held up a bit with an Arcadiane that had a GS engine on Raid 2008. It had plenty of power, but we were always waiting for it to catch up. There may have been some driver blame associated with this vehicle.

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    GS's would be waaaayyyy stronger than a 2cv.... That's a poor example. There a very strong ... far more so than a 2cv's frail little chassis.

    The difference is like everything else... heavier, more difficult to fix in the backside of beyond if broken...etc... for a fun car to drive around suburbia ....who cares about this

    GS's did well as rally cars, I can't see why a raid would destroy one (unless it was compromised in some way to being with).

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    Hydropneumatic cars are great until a rock takes out a high pressure line. When they bleed to death and flop on the ground in their death throes, they are very hard to work on.

    The humble 2CV can be picked up (empty) by 8 guys and be moved, or pushed on its side leaning against a tree for some chassis welding. Thats the advantage of simple designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    Hydropneumatic cars are great until a rock takes out a high pressure line. When they bleed to death and flop on the ground in their death throes, they are very hard to work on.

    The humble 2CV can be picked up (empty) by 8 guys and be moved, or pushed on its side leaning against a tree for some chassis welding. Thats the advantage of simple designs.

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    that's exactly what I said .... but for suburbia ... who cares
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    You are right, I have never driven a GS.

    There is (was) the wreck of a GS between Cairns and Cape York ...
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    sorry, what? where?

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    There was a white GS abandoned during Raid 2000. I don't know exactly where and I don't know if it was later salvaged. I saw it at Trinity Beach campsite where it was undergoing substantial repairs to the suspension before attempting the leg to the Cape.

    I wasn't on that Raid. I took a week off work and drove Sydney - Cairns (3 days), spent 3 days there and then returned over 3 days. I knew the owners of that campsite (two Aussies that we first met in South Africa travelling and later lived in adjoining suburbs in Sydney) and I knew many of the raiders.

    I believe the suspension collapsed and was unable to be repaired.

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    I wonder how a GS (or a 2CV) would go with something like a Suzuki Hayabusa engine (inline 4). And how you'd arrange a gearbox and diff. Perhaps in sympathy a flat 4 Subaru engine would be the better choice?

    Mostly musing here :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by J'aime la vie View Post
    I wonder how a GS (or a 2CV) would go with something like a Suzuki Hayabusa engine (inline 4). And how you'd arrange a gearbox and diff. Perhaps in sympathy a flat 4 Subaru engine would be the better choice?

    Mostly musing here :-)
    Having spent quite some time considering this very question as far as the GS is concerned, the answer is it would go very well. Forget the Subaru option - that engine is too big and heavy, and the transmission can't be fitted with inboard brakes. Also I think you can discount the 2CV, 180 hp plus in a front wheel drive 2CV would, I suggest, be suicidal. Best go with the 2 cylinder BMW bike conversion.
    For the GS my preference would be the Kawasaki ZX14-r with a Quaife reversing box/final drive (Quaife Universal Axle Unit - Including Reverse). I think that the Quaife box could be fitted with inboard brakes, and there would be some re-engineering needed to fit stronger drive-shafts. All very do-able and there wouldn't be a weight penalty. The only real problem is the cost. I think that you would have budget at least $10K, maybe more depending on how much outside work would be required. But hey, what a blast.
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