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    Is there a way to remove the Bakelite handle from the window winder in order to facilitate re-chroming?

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    Repro window winder handles are available.

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    Z+3=canteloupe!
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    A stab in the dark suggestion might entail considering how they're fitted.
    Is it a plug on the back of the handle (facing the door side!) that then exposes the knob with a screw to hold it to the frame of the handle?
    I'd be looking at prying that off with something small flat and looking like a screwdriver. Gently.
    Buying repros will not get them separated.
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    I will first try to unscrew, and if not successful then prying off. I will experiment on the worst condition handle in the knowledge that it can be replaced with a repro. I will post the results.

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    someone put them on there so QED someone can take them off! This has been my broad experience with all things Citroen. However clutch thrust bearings do not generally fit into this category as I found out after thinking- 'this is a bad idea' when someone graciously offered to dismantle mine. I should have punched the *#%+ for even suggesting it!

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    Yep I think we have all been "there" at some stage or other. At times I feel quite guilty with the things I say about the French.

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    damn the French man! It's the reprobate moron Territorians that are at fault!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyracer View Post
    Repro window winder handles are available.
    window crank, chromed for DS 12/72>

    The originals seem to be one of those pot metal special brews and can pit. I suspect you would be hard pressed to dismantle and rechrome them satisfactorily for a lot less than the cost of the repro items. 29 Euro each before you remove the VAT from the price, being a non-EU buyer. There could be slightly less costly sources.

    I guess someone would have to cut up a scrap handle to be sure of how it's assembled. I don't think the knob simply unscrews though. More likely pressed together. Even then, the hole in the end of the handle wears and the knob becomes loose.

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    have you looked at Prismatic powder coating as an alternative to rechroming? I think despite my troppo flippancy David your suggestion is far more feasible given the cost to replate!

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    This is one of those strange cases where the item on the D Spec is superior to the DS.The D Spec winder is stainless.The same applies to the flat outside door handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian woodcock View Post
    This is one of those strange cases where the item on the D Spec is superior to the DS.The D Spec winder is stainless.The same applies to the flat outside door handles.
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    It depends on the year of manufacture. Some D Specs have the s/s covered external door handles - and I say covered as they are plastic internals IIRC.

    If the original poster trying to figure how to get a "normal" D inner window winder off the shaft? If so, then push against the door card around the handle base to compress a spring that is behind the handle and door card. Then you will see a pin that is pushed through holes in the handle base. You need to then gently push this through using a suitable drift or even the long end of a thin Allen key. The handle will then easily come off. Replacement is the reverse method. Ensure you get the handle alignment correct so that it clears the passenger knee when the window is fully closed or open.
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    There are two types of flat external handles, yes. The original version is the die-cast type, same as the GS, although the actual latch is a bit different. They pit badly and if you overtighten the nuts, you leave a dimple where the stud pulls the metal inwards. For the last year or so of production, they changed to the plastic handle with a pressed stainless cover. The early one has parallel sides, where the later (presumably cheaper) ones are slightly angled.

    The pressed stainless window winder handles are for earlier ID and DS with the raised outside handles are they not? I'm sure in my assortment of spares, I have two types of pressed metal handles.

    Boot hinges are not all the same either. There is the obvious difference of plated for Pallas (and Slough) and polished alloy for the rest, but there are also a few different castings when you compare them in detail. The early and late cars also have a different thread pitch, so, there is a small trap when creating a mongrel.

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    Getting the winder off the door is not the issue here. Getting the bacalite handle off the winder is. I must concede defeat because I think damage will be the ultimate result. I will wait until I have a replacement before pursuing this any further, unless someone has a tried and tested methodology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Errol_S View Post
    Getting the winder off the door is not the issue here. Getting the bacalite handle off the winder is. I must concede defeat because I think damage will be the ultimate result. I will wait until I have a replacement before pursuing this any further, unless someone has a tried and tested methodology.
    This lad appears to have a solution? No indication how the knob separates or how they are reassembled, or if in fact the same original knobs can be reused?

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    Yes this is a teaser now! Who knows the answer?

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