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    Firstly for anyone that is opposed to fitting non era current technology to a '70's D, avert your gaze now

    This is a solution that suits the late model 3 dial dash D, where the space allocated for a radio is non standard (I think the DIN standard was just becoming common place at the time of production?).

    Citroen at the time did issue a service bulletin for the fitting of a radio into the dash below the glovebox, this meant of course that the radio was out of reach for the driver.

    Blaupukt and a few other players came to the party with a model in their range dedicated to Citroen.







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    Subsequently a number of manufacturers provided a solution to the non DIN standard space provided in the centre of the dash above the ashtray. The most desirable today would be the Continental Edison range which were designed to fit and integrate into the dash. These now fetch a premium, I've seen them sell for 600Euro with a modification allowing an external storage device to be attached and play your mp3 music files.







    My intention once I have my D Special back on the road is to use it as a daily driver, I do like to listen to the radio driving to work, Classic Breakfast with Emma Ayres on ABC 106.6 is a treat, I also like to listen to my own music collection, a good part of which is stored on my phone.

    I also recognise the need for hands free phone calls, from my point of view essential with a manual car but now a legal requirement in Queensland and I guess elsewhere in Aus.

    After researching a few years back the ultimate solution appeared to be the Retrosound Model 2, this unit has most of the bells and whistles available today, bluetooth, 2 x USB, 2 x Aux etc, all packaged in a retro look and small enough to fit the space in the D centre cubby.

    I've seen a few installations that work but are basically just utilising the Retrosound fitting kit and whilst they fit and work perfectly well they don't look finished to me. I set about producing a custom faceplate that had a '70's feel, drawing on the Continental Edison as above and the earlier Grundig fitted to the 2nd nose dash.



    The result was posted in my cars rejuvenation thread
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    Quite pleasantly I have been contacted by enthusiasts from around the world and have now supplied the faceplate kit mostly into Europe but now several here in Aus. Each time I get an inquiry I'm asked for detail of the installation, currently an AF member has asked for these details so thought it appropriate to post here.

    I utilise the existing plastic cubby above the ashtray.



    Cut down along the existing angled recess as shown here.



    This is the faceplate kit, it consists of a screenprinted brushed aluminium rear and an textured black ABS front. these have been cut on a flatbed router and fit over the face of the headunit.



    Using Retrosound's terminology, cut and fit the infinimount so the the knobshaft sits as close and low to the headunit as possible - shown here.



    Using the supplied bracket, cut, bend and fit as shown here - note it should sit about 2-3mm proud of the top of the unit, this is to cause the unit to sit at a slight downward angle when fitted to the car so that the rear cables etc. clear the heater demister tube under the dash.

    This pic also shows the faceplate mounted in profile, should give a good starting point for the relationship of the shaft and faceplate.







    With the cubby housing fitted in position use the existing holes to mark the position on the rear folded brackets, these are used to mount the whole unit to the dash, fixing to the existing holes below the centre speaker grill.





    Assembled unit



    Fitted to car - all reversible with the exception of the plastic cubby.





    I still have faceplates available if anyone is interested, these usually change hands for a bottle of wine or exchange of Cit bits

    Cheers
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    Nicely done! I think my father DS has one of those minture radios that fits in the dash hole ... From memory it even works .... really poorly.... The reception is crap so I wouldn't be paying top $$$ for one :rolfmao: Certainly not 600euro

    Gee's that re-coated dash looks amazing!

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    Hi all,
    Many thanks to Chris for posting the retro-radio solution - mine looks great too and it's much better looking than the de Franzose version.

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    That looks like the solution I need. Probably can't send a bottle through the post though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincenzo View Post
    That looks like the solution I need. Probably can't send a bottle through the post though...
    When you're ready send me a PM

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    Do what I've done in the past, Vincenzo: send one of those box wines.

    Really neat stuff, Chris. Especially good for a 3-dial Pallas, because the glove box is considerably larger (LHD only? I don't know about the RHD cars) and actually fills in the space the factory sets aside in your above page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    Do what I've done in the past, Vincenzo: send one of those box wines.

    Really neat stuff, Chris. Especially good for a 3-dial Pallas, because the glove box is considerably larger (LHD only? I don't know about the RHD cars) and actually fills in the space the factory sets aside in your above page.
    Are you sure Bill? The Citroen Bulletin is for a LHD, but I think I can confirm the glovebox on a RHD car is the same for the Pallas as the lowly models. I found that bulletin interesting as the installation under the glovebox has always been viewed as sacrilege yet we see it was sanctioned by Citroen. From the poor pictures the car shown appears to have Citroen factory air, I would have thought this would have only been fitted to the Pallas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Are you sure Bill? The Citroen Bulletin is for a LHD, but I think I can confirm the glovebox on a RHD car is the same for the Pallas as the lowly models. I found that bulletin interesting as the installation under the glovebox has always been viewed as sacrilege yet we see it was sanctioned by Citroen. From the poor pictures the car shown appears to have Citroen factory air, I would have thought this would have only been fitted to the Pallas?

    Cheers
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    I'm going to have to walk back my statement a bit. It's entirely possible the larger glove boxes were a US market quirk. I do know we got them. I've seen cars where the boxes were cut to allow the radio.

    A short while later: I went through the parts books for 3-dials. They list 2 different boxes for the US and Canuck cars. One for DX/DY, and one for DV. I remember now that we also got the plastic glove boxes, but I think that was towards the end.

    You're likely 100% about the A/C. You could have A/C on anything here, but no in-dash units. They were all very similar to your AutoClima units. I think the eyeball vents were after Citroen left the US anyway.

    None of this takes away the brilliance of your solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    I'm going to have to walk back my statement a bit. It's entirely possible the larger glove boxes were a US market quirk. I do know we got them. I've seen cars where the boxes were cut to allow the radio.

    A short while later: I went through the parts books for 3-dials. They list 2 different boxes for the US and Canuck cars. One for DX/DY, and one for DV. I remember now that we also got the plastic glove boxes, but I think that was towards the end.

    You're likely 100% about the A/C. You could have A/C on anything here, but no in-dash units. They were all very similar to your AutoClima units. I think the eyeball vents were after Citroen left the US anyway.

    None of this takes away the brilliance of your solution.
    That's why I love this forum, I'm learning something new all the time

    Who'd of thunk? Bigger glovebox for the US, you guys must have bigger gloves

    Thanks again for your positive comments

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    This is an installation by Othello of Citothello in Switzerland

    A neat idea for one USB to be incorporated into a dash switch









    This is on a DS21 BVH IE with Airconditioning,



    The restoration pics can be found here 10 pages of superb detail
    www.citrothello.net/ds-21ie-restauration/ - Translator

    Cheers
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    Neat job GreenBlood, now you just need a front and back speaker to go with the radio.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IE23 View Post
    Neat job GreenBlood, now you just need a front and back speaker to go with the radio.
    All done. . .

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    Phone mount hardwired to the headunit, direct USB connection for music and charging.





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    That is a good idea HotRod - I guess sending more than one would increase my creditability in leaps and bounds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincenzo View Post
    That is a good idea HotRod - I guess sending more than one would increase my creditability in leaps and bounds!
    Sending a mixed dozen would have you jumping the ditch

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    Hi Greenblood,
    These faceplates look good. Do you have any left?
    I also used the retrosound, but cut down one of their normal faceplates.
    Installing the Retrosound Model 2 in a Citroen DS « Classic Jalopy
    Overall I'm pretty happy but I want to try with smaller knobs as they are quite tight in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brycedunn View Post
    Hi Greenblood,
    These faceplates look good. Do you have any left?
    I also used the retrosound, but cut down one of their normal faceplates.
    Installing the Retrosound Model 2 in a Citroen DS « Classic Jalopy
    Overall I'm pretty happy but I want to try with smaller knobs as they are quite tight in there.
    Bryce
    Hi Bryce,
    I appear to have stirred some interest so am about to print a second batch, happy to supply a faceplate kit

    I see you separated the headunit display from the unit, where and how did you fit the unit?

    Agree, the knobs are a letdown, Retrosound have a reasonable selection but they are all a little on the large side. I've used their Ford Mustang rears (probably the slimmest in their range) and Becker for the fronts. Given that the knob shafts are universal I'd still like to find something smaller.

    BTW, I remember coveting your car at a Brisbane French Car Day

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by brycedunn View Post
    Hi Greenblood,
    These faceplates look good. Do you have any left?
    I also used the retrosound, but cut down one of their normal faceplates.
    Installing the Retrosound Model 2 in a Citroen DS « Classic Jalopy
    Overall I'm pretty happy but I want to try with smaller knobs as they are quite tight in there.
    Bryce
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Hi Bryce,
    I appear to have stirred some interest so am about to print a second batch, happy to supply a faceplate kit

    I see you separated the headunit display from the unit, where and how did you fit the unit?

    Agree, the knobs are a letdown, Retrosound have a reasonable selection but they are all a little on the large side. I've used their Ford Mustang rears (probably the slimmest in their range) and Becker for the fronts. Given that the knob shafts are universal I'd still like to find something smaller.

    BTW, I remember coveting your car at a Brisbane French Car Day

    Cheers
    Chris
    Volkswagen Beetle? The '60's radios had a kind of teardrop shaped knob. Likely available as a repop from a VW parts specialist. You might also be able to go with an original ISO Japanese radio of the '70's, if you can find one at a swap meet.
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    Thanks Greenblood, Am certainly interested in a faceplate when you have them.

    I found the unit was too deep, so since I replaced the ashtray with the USB ports (I purchased extenders for a motorcycle that were round and fit in the space, so It meant I could mount the chassis vertically.

    Given my car is a 1970 model, and the rear view mirror mounts from the dash, I used the strip of metal with the holes it in to 'hang' the unit from the rear view mirror attachment point and the ribbon cable to attach the front. At the time it was not available, but I notice that retrosound now supply longer ribbon cable and better options to mount the USB ports. I also used the rear view mirror attachment point to help me mount the 2x 3.5" speakers I used.

    Good tip on the knobs. its hard to see in the photos but I cut out insert holes into the side of the cubby but that didn't help too much.

    when I got the car about 2 years ago, it was a good trip driving it back from QLD!
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    Hi Bryce,
    I appear to have stirred some interest so am about to print a second batch, happy to supply a faceplate kit

    I see you separated the headunit display from the unit, where and how did you fit the unit?

    Agree, the knobs are a letdown, Retrosound have a reasonable selection but they are all a little on the large side. I've used their Ford Mustang rears (probably the slimmest in their range) and Becker for the fronts. Given that the knob shafts are universal I'd still like to find something smaller.

    BTW, I remember coveting your car at a Brisbane French Car Day

    Cheers
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    Just looking at the current Retrosound website I see they have added to their knob selection, these may be what I'm looking for - no sizes but they look smaller and maybe better suited?

    Product Code 29-90


    Also see they have a screen protector with a dial face.




    Getting a bit carried away now but we could produce our own, something like this - or should I have a lie down and a Bex



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    Hmmmm..... that dial is missing a detail. Ooooh! I know! The little indicators for Civil Defence stations.

    NOW we can go try and get rid of that headache.
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    Does 'Harrisson_Citroen know you've nicked his avatar for your phone???

    (yes, I know you designed it...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by badabec View Post
    Does 'Harrisson_Citroen know you've nicked his avatar for your phone???

    (yes, I know you designed it...)
    Shhhhhhhhh!

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Getting a bit carried away now but we could produce our own, something like this - or should I have a lie down and a Bex



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    Couldn't help myself, these are now printed, I've moved things around a bit so that text sits over buttons etc. and left a clear window for the digital info.

    I've ordered the smaller knobs from Retrosound Aus, couple of weeks away but they should tidy things up nicely.

    The analog dial face is just tacked in position with low-tack double sided tape for these pics





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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Couldn't help myself, these are now printed, I've moved things around a bit so that text sits over buttons etc. and left a clear window for the digital info.

    I've ordered the smaller knobs from Retrosound Aus, couple of weeks away but they should tidy things up nicely.
    This looks great - and interested to hear how you go with the smaller knobs..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    I appear to have stirred some interest so am about to print a second batch. . .

    Cheers
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    Second batch printed and 6 kits in the post today, including one to the UK and one to NZ, Bryce yours just made it

    Though perhaps not an authentic solution Retrosound have provided us with something that has not been available for 40 years - decent sound in a package that fits that non standard space

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Bryce yours just made it

    Though perhaps not an authentic solution Retrosound have provided us with something that has not been available for 40 years - decent sound in a package that fits that non standard space
    Thanks Chris, looking forward to getting it!

    I'm a big fan of the retrosound products. I've installed their model 1 in another car and they had a face plate that matched perfectly what was shown in the brochure. I've also used their slimline speakers.

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