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    I promised to post when the job was finally done. The 123 kit, fitted to the old distributor, is in and running with no real hitches. I cheated a bit and had it done in parallel with a bit of paid leak fixing.

    The car runs perfectly as you'd expect. It seems to fire easily on start up. Otherwise, it is the same of course, as before but no more points/dwell/capacitor stuff.

    The people who do this conversion are in Holland. I had excellent service from Marlies en Henry Hebels (h.hebels@planet.nl for email).

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    British Sportscars: Workshop for MG en Triumph, NL +31(0)402928935, 123Ignition-Conversions we convert your existing distributor with original 123ignition components and 123 ignition conversions fuhr Triumph, Ford-Lotus, MG und Saab for web pages.

    123 don't yet do a CX distributor but the excellent Hebels will fit the gear inside your old distributor.

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    Recommended. I paid more and bought the fully programmable "Tune" one by the way.

    Cheers
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    I wonder if it will work on the 2400ie motor. They already have an electronic distributor, I have a spare of the switching unit that supplies the coil, but if the coil in the distributor gives up??

    I see they do one for D-Jetronic systems so I presume it could supply a low voltage pulse for the injection ECU on L-Jetronic cars.
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    I put Luminition on my CX2400 C-matic. All that was required was the removal of the contact points and condensor, an infra-red light secured by the same screw that secured the contact points and a Maltese Cross "cutter" that split the infra-red beam. The Luminition module was screwed to the right hand front guard, just above the aircleaner where it was in a coolish spot.

    Never missed a beat over the next 5-6 years I had the car. Very strong spark.

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    There are a few "haters" for the Lunar Mission, but have only read of one account where it failed, so there is definitely merit in the external control box IMO.

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    It was used on British Army armoured vehicles, so it must have been pretty robust to pass Mil Spec.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    I put Luminition on my CX2400 C-matic. All that was required was the removal of the contact points and condensor, an infra-red light secured by the same screw that secured the contact points and a Maltese Cross "cutter" that split the infra-red beam. The Luminition module was screwed to the right hand front guard, just above the aircleaner where it was in a coolish spot.

    Never missed a beat over the next 5-6 years I had the car. Very strong spark.

    John
    Good system I reckon and I did think about it a few years ago. I have a "Hot Spark" in the Ducellier in the Renault R8, i.e. no points and capacitor. However, both of these options use the mechanical and vacuum advance systems, which are fine if pivots and bushes are in good nick. 123 avoids all mechanical stuff.
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    I agree that 123 is the more sophisticated. I have the 123 EVO on a 2CV which gives vacuum advance (unknown on the original 2CV system) and a wide choice of dwell angles. I have Luminition on the other 2CV (bought in 1993 with it fitted - 20 years with no hiccups).

    I would vouch for both systems for others contemplating the change from points.

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    Hi John
    What was the lead time on having it made and how much did it cost (if that's ok)
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    Quote Originally Posted by d coupe View Post
    Hi John
    What was the lead time on having it made and how much did it cost (if that's ok)
    Good question Wayne. I think it cost $650 - $700 or thereabouts - this was for the TUNE version, which I'd recommend. As you know Exfrogger bought one for a rear engine Renault, before the TUNE version was available, and the curves don't really suit. That 123 distributor was for the Sierra motor, but as applied to the front engine cars like R4 and maybe DAF, and it seems that they might have different timing from the R8/10 series. The TUNE allows you to set the curves on laptop by click and drag. Brilliant.

    I posted the spare distributor to them and it took a few weeks from memory. Excellent people to deal with, with good English. Dutch, so you'd expect nothing less...

    I do prefer to have dispensed with the mechanical side of the distributor. Strange that 123 doesn't see enough demand to make a CX version - it's only the drive gear that is effectively different from a late DS I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I do prefer to have dispensed with the mechanical side of the distributor. Strange that 123 doesn't see enough demand to make a CX version - it's only the drive gear that is effectively different from a late DS I think.

    Cheers
    Wouldn't the only difference be the direction of rotation?
    Cheers Gerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Wouldn't the only difference be the direction of rotation?
    I've never owned a DS, but the CX distributor has a gear at its base and I thought the DS had an offset dog/slot drive.

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    John, the offset tang engaging into the oil pump gear is true of all the 1911cc engines of the early DS/ID and also the Traction. The later cars have a gear drive straight off the front of the cam shaft.
    It seems that after consulting the parts book for D that the year the distributor came forward on the motor was Sept 1968. Therefore we are both correct! Depends on what year we are talking about!
    Cheers Gerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    John, the offset tang engaging into the oil pump gear is true of all the 1911cc engines of the early DS/ID and also the Traction. The later cars have a gear drive straight off the front of the cam shaft.
    It seems that after consulting the parts book for D that the year the distributor came forward on the motor was Sept 1968. Therefore we are both correct! Depends on what year we are talking about!
    I understand. So really it is just the direction of rotation. The 123 installed by in my distributor by Hebbels in Holland must allow for that I guess. Given it is electronic, this might be a trivial matter.

    Thanks for that.
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