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    Hi Guys,

    who is the go these days to re-diaphram accumulators ?? I have a pair of DS/SM accumulators that here that need re-diaphraming. It MUST be the same units that come back. Not exchange!!!!! The hose connections are flare type inside the housings, so the same one have to come back.

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    I guess it's your job then, if Richo has hung up his tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    I guess it's your job then, if Richo has hung up his tools.
    As far as I know Richo doesn't doesn't do rebuilds any longer (bugger it all !!! ). I don't have the tooling to unscrew brake accumulators, but many around the world do. The most important bit is I need the exact accumulator bodies back as they have Maserati flare fittings on them. no seals, half bubble flare on the end of the pipe.

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    Pleiades I'd think. However, it could be smarter to convert the system to a screw on system as used in the CX and then use the late welded grey multi-membrane spheres. You get one mount in the left front corner and another, although slightly different, on the left suspension member of a c-matic.

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    Why not have the tooling made up, charge accordingly and finish with a usable asset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Why not have the tooling made up, charge accordingly and finish with a usable asset?
    These are the DS brake accumulator. Not main accumulator. You would be lucky to rebuild one of them in your lifetime let alone two

    David, the hoses on the car are all different, and it's not my car. You would need to convert from the maserati brake hoses to Citroen bubble flares first ....... which given the space available would be a seriously involved task. I think sensible would be to replace the diaphragms in them and remind him to get them regassed every 5years or so ( I guess I could help out with that).

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    Thinking further, I'd suggest Roger Parker might be a very good option.

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    You could also ask the Italian sphere mob if they could run some specials; think they already do a brake accumulator repro.

    Why does nobody else in the world need one?

    I am seeing one of those moments here where the reality is, if it's going to be done right, it's going to cost - stop looking for cheap "outs" and focus on a reliable situation. Unless you've been mad enough to quote on something and it's burning your arse now, the cost isn't really your problem.

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    I'm sure Bill McGrath in the UK would have a brake accumulator for a Khamsin as he/they have just about every other Maserati OEM part available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    You could also ask the Italian sphere mob if they could run some specials; think they already do a brake accumulator repro.

    Why does nobody else in the world need one?

    I am seeing one of those moments here where the reality is, if it's going to be done right, it's going to cost - stop looking for cheap "outs" and focus on a reliable situation. Unless you've been mad enough to quote on something and it's burning your arse now, the cost isn't really your problem.
    Hi Addo,

    I doubt you have ever seen a DS brake accumulator. I just googled the maserati one and got some nice piccies for you. Other than the connectors it's the same as a DS ( SM ?? ) accumulator.

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    They don't repro these for obvious reasons I'm sure 99.9% of them fitted to DS's are flat and buggered. On the maserati though .. .that's it .. if there dead you have no braking reserve If the guy that owns the car was to drive it, if the motor stalled he'd instantly have no brakes

    He just wants to drive his car again, I don't see what cost has to do with it. Any bought from maserati specialists are going to be rebuilt by the local citroen guys either way .... and you'd have to wait for them to get here (exchange no doubt) from overseas.

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    Shane, I have seen plenty of the brake accumulators. I simply don't see why you are concerned about what someone else has to pay.

    Have you considered splicing the fluid lines to have CitroŽn ends on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Shane, I have seen plenty of the brake accumulators. I simply don't see why you are concerned about what someone else has to pay.

    Have you considered splicing the fluid lines to have CitroŽn ends on them?
    I didn't say cost is an issue, you bought up cost, I was trying to find someone local that'll rebuild them for him. If they were converted to citroen DS accumulator connections, well that would suck big time 'cos I have none of them spare, so would have to find some DS accumulator cores from somewhere to rebuild (given it appears only the injected DS's have the accumualtors that sure would suck).

    I'll try Roger Parker I guess and see if he has diaphrams in stock.

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    PS: Repro ?? Why does no-one else in the world need the?? Well a good reason is you can stick a new diaphram in there and get another 20years out of them .... and I guess the fact only 420 Khansims were ever made limits the market for reproductions slightly.
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    Spare accumulators from the DS are not hard to obtain if required for some kind of modification. Maybe, the ports can be recut to suit the flared fittings. Is there enough meat on a DS accumulator?

    I think I'll have to flog off my spare hydraulic parts as suiting Maserati models ...
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    I think just run long pipes and hang modern accumulators down low at the rear, like testicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Spare accumulators from the DS are not hard to obtain if required for some kind of modification. Maybe, the ports can be recut to suit the flared fittings. Is there enough meat on a DS accumulator?

    I think I'll have to flog off my spare hydraulic parts as suiting Maserati models ...
    Maserati Bora Brake Fluid Hydraulic Regulator | eBay
    That's funny .... I could sell a dozen "genuine maserati" regulators in working condition for $100bucks each no probs

    Addo, these cars are pure class.... Best left well alone... I'm sure I'll never own a maserati, but talk about nice.

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    It's already had the driveline butchered, if you like Maseratis there are models for sale around $20K that offer many of the marque's distinctive aspects.

    I also found a supplier who claimed the spheres were available new "to order".

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    Shane,

    Does the current owner have the dead Maserati motor or is it long gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donat View Post
    Shane,

    Does the current owner have the dead Maserati motor or is it long gone?
    Long gone I'd imagine. If I could buy an SM cheaply 'cos it had a Toyato V6 in it for example..... I'd sure as shit grab it with both hands too.... You still after all have an SM to drive, even if it's not original.... and it can always be "put back" in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    It's already had the driveline butchered, if you like Maseratis there are models for sale around $20K that offer many of the marque's distinctive aspects.

    I also found a supplier who claimed the spheres were available new "to order".
    Hi Addo,

    I'm sure why the main accumulator is available from everywhere and anywhere. Even if you managed to find some NOS brake accumulators, I wouldn't be interested at all, they'll be flat, and have been sitting for 30+years without LHM in them.

    You cant buy repro DS brake accumulators as far as I know, and there was million of them made

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    We have a guy near San Diego who does excellent bench work. He could competently recharge them.

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    Shane, I said new and to order. It's reasonable to assume that means made for the customer at hand.

    http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchRe...&TA=1&TB=42533

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    Shane, I said new and to order. It's reasonable to assume that means made for the customer at hand.

    http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchRe...&TA=1&TB=42533
    Yeah I spotted them too. No doubt exchange basis "new" accumulators. They'd have to be NOS, or "newly rebuilt".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Hi Guys,

    who is the go these days to re-diaphram accumulators ?? I have a pair of DS/SM accumulators that here that need re-diaphraming. It MUST be the same units that come back. Not exchange!!!!! The hose connections are flare type inside the housings, so the same one have to come back.

    seeya,
    Shane L.

    Hi Shane

    Denton Christie at European Autocare, Penrith NSW may be able to help. His number is 02 4731 6522.

    Ken

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