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    Quote Originally Posted by werdna View Post
    ...I have contracted the Alfa 105 virus!
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    Always had a soft spot for the Alfa. Drove an Alfasud from Armidale to Sydney once, just as I was finishing teachers' college.

    Quick cost comparison:

    105 manifold = $350
    GS manifolds = $228

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    Hardly a comparison. .. gs manifolds are free!

    Quick fun comparison:
    105 = 113bhp + 185km/h
    Gs = 65bhp + 165km/h (I would like to see a GS go that quick!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harley View Post
    Hardly a comparison. .. gs manifolds are free!

    Quick fun comparison:
    105 = 113bhp + 185km/h
    Gs = 65bhp + 165km/h (I would like to see a GS go that quick!)

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    Hey now - I've had all my GSs and a GSA hit 100mph (except the 1015)! And my slightly hotted up GSX2 would do even more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by werdna View Post
    Didn't end up getting sold. It's still sitting in my garage.
    It isn't getting much love now that I have contracted the Alfa 105 virus!
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    I thought there was an antidote to that disease now.... You are allowed more than one love anyway.
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    Nice comparisons fellas!
    Funnily enough, the GS has been one of my most reliable cars (touch wood). Up there with the Mercedes 300D and Volvo 240.
    As 'fast' as the GS is, throw a set of curves in and it wouldn't know which way a 105 went.

    Sparkey - what did you think of the Sud in comparison to the GS? they were both technical marvels when released and somewhat similar. I'd love to drive them back to back for a real test, I think it might be a bit difficult these days though with the attrition rates of both vehicles.

    Harley - valid comment, almost all of the GS parts I have received have been free! hardly the case with my 105's. I guess that's what happens when there is such a large value disparity between the two vehicles. The 147 is an awesome car for the $$$, I was looking at them a few years ago and they still, in my eyes anyway, look fresh and current.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    I thought there was an antidote to that disease now.... You are allowed more than one love anyway.
    An antidote!?!?! I think I need it, I seem to keep wanting to go off into the automotive dark end/commit financial suicide. You know it's bad when you start thinking sub $10k Maserati biturbos seem like good value!

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    I had a GS1220 Convertisseur back in the early 1980s. My sister liked it so much she bought a GS1220 manual.

    Mine had a Weber carb, hers had a Solex. Her car was much better overall than mine - the Weber carb was the only reliable component on my car, the Solex carby was the only unreliable one on hers.

    The Solex had a weird idle speed / idle mixture adjustment, I don't remember the details but it was "counter-intuitive." No wonder Citroen used them.

    Both cars liked a good warm up on cold mornings, but the Weber/convertisseur combo was less cantankerous when cold than the Solex/manual car. Both cars were complete - no preheaters removed or dodgied. But that wasn't uncommon in the day, either - it was pretty normal to have to monkey with the choke on any car to find the sweet spot where it didn't hunt and didn't stall, and don't expect too much till warmed up a bit.

    Maybe all these new fangled fuel injected things have made us a bit soft.

    My GS was overall a pretty unreliable car, and working on it was difficult at times - the distributor was a mongrel to access for a start. But I remember it very fondly, it had a real personality and loved to be driven hard. I remember being told by another GS owner "never let it fall below 3000 rpm - there's just nothing there."

    I was an impoverished student when I owned the GS, and I owe a lot to Citro Motors. I think the owner took pity on me and undercharged at times. He was very helpful with advice for DIY repairs, too. I'm sorry I don't remember his name, he was the older man of two people there, he drove a red CX with the number plate "ESTO". I'm guessing the younger bloke was Mel, who ended up owning the business??

    Fond memories of GS ownership, and I might even own one again one day.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by simca1100 View Post
    I had a GS1220 Convertisseur back in the early 1980s. My sister liked it so much she bought a GS1220 manual.

    I was an impoverished student when I owned the GS, and I owe a lot to Citro Motors. I think the owner took pity on me and undercharged at times. He was very helpful with advice for DIY repairs, too. I'm sorry I don't remember his name, he was the older man of two people there, he drove a red CX with the number plate "ESTO". I'm guessing the younger bloke was Mel, who ended up owning the business??

    Fond memories of GS ownership, and I might even own one again one day.....
    hi there,

    That would be Bruno I think, I never met him but there are plenty of mentions of him in fond terms on this forum and one thread in particular with a bit of history of Citro motors covering him, Colin and Mel. From what I can gather Mel came into the Citro much later, in the late 90s perhaps. I think he was still working from Bairnsdale in 1997 for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werdna View Post
    Sparkey - what did you think of the Sud in comparison to the GS? they were both technical marvels when released and somewhat similar. I'd love to drive them back to back for a real test, I think it might be a bit difficult these days though with the attrition rates of both vehicles.
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    Andrew - the Sud was a thing of beauty. It had a sticky accelerator cable which made it tricky to drive. I worked a short time as a shipwright (wooden boat) and remember being below and everywhere you looked was a work of art. The Sud fitted into this category, the Italians really have a way with design, everything was beautifully sculptured.
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    I bought a Citroen GSX2 from the factory in 1976. It was georgeous and a wonderful car to drive. To date my only car love affair. The things I did in that car. I was told I couldn't order to Aussie specs, so I ordered one to Jamaican specs. Drove all over Europe and UK and finally bought it back home. I had a tear in my eye the day I sold it. Really.
    Edit: BTW I had many a joust with a Sud in Europe and left them in my dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prozac View Post
    I bought a Citroen GSX2 from the factory in 1976. It was georgeous and a wonderful car to drive. To date my only car love affair. The things I did in that car. I was told I couldn't order to Aussie specs, so I ordered one to Jamaican specs. Drove all over Europe and UK and finally bought it back home. I had a tear in my eye the day I sold it. Really.
    Edit: BTW I had many a joust with a Sud in Europe and left them in my dust.
    I beg to differ. I've owned both GS and Sud and although you need to compare apples with apples, a GS 1220 or 1300 wouldn't see where a 1500 Sud went, let alone a Ti. Suds were great drivers cars, tragically afflicted by the poor quality steel in the bodywork - when was the last time you saw one on the road?
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    I only speak from experience. The X2 had high lift cams/valves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by werdna View Post
    An antidote!?!?! I think I need it, I seem to keep wanting to go off into the automotive dark end/commit financial suicide. You know it's bad when you start thinking sub $10k Maserati biturbos seem like good value!

    Andrew
    Biturbos?? Wow. Take a double dose of whatever you need. I do know people who have worked on them. Just don't.

    Commenting on other posts here, I reckon the Alfasud was a seriously superb design. Execution was a bit dodgy, but a rust free one would be wonderful. And perhaps unique...
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    Double post....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lhs2.1 View Post
    I beg to differ. I've owned both GS and Sud and although you need to compare apples with apples, a GS 1220 or 1300 wouldn't see where a 1500 Sud went, let alone a Ti. Suds were great drivers cars, tragically afflicted by the poor quality steel in the bodywork - when was the last time you saw one on the road?
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    When did I say I took delivery and what year did the 1500 Sud come out? When was the last time you saw a GSX2 on the road?

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    Is anyone interested in a GSA? Contact me if so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Is anyone interested in a GSA? Contact me if so.
    Do you have a GSA ? There a hatchback aren't they. Is it the bigger engine/5spd version
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    I see a motor on e bay for $600 ,makes a complete car sound cheep ,pugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Do you have a GSA ? There a hatchback aren't they. Is it the bigger engine/5spd version
    Father-in-laws actually, 1300cc 5spd hatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterT View Post
    Father-in-laws actually, 1300cc 5spd hatch.
    carsales..... It very collect-able in Australia (less so over seas where they all want the early ones we have 'cos there's all rusted away ).

    I should try and con my father into buying it

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