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    Default Will my next car be a landcruiser ?

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    Landcruiser spheres

    This is something Citroen should have built back in the early 80's!
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    Dear DC

    Everyone is laughing at me because my Landcruiser suspension is stuck on high - where is the lever to bring it back to normal height? Also I'm getting vertigo up here ...

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    Looks like these things have been in Oz for some years.

    A couple of links - seems people can't wait to get rid of the hydraulics, and go back to steel springs only!

    AHC Toyota LAND CRUISER - YouTube

    We tackle Toyota Flagship''s Active Height Control limitations - Information Articles Go See Australia Directory

    Off Topic: LC100 Sahara AHC suspension alternative [Archive] - PradoPoint - Toyota Prado 4x4 Landcruiser Forum

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    There's a business opportunity there for someone probably ............. Regassing land cruiser spheres There's probably hundreds of $$$ each new after all.
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    Yes, Pleiades have seen that, but so have Pedders, offering a standard spring replacement kit.
    https://sites.google.com/site/pleiad...ensionspheres/
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    So did Toyota buy the system and rights from Citroen? Might explain why Citroen has discontinued using it.


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    The use of spheres has been done by other manufacturers for years. Benz built their own ( that were not spherical ) BMW also use them on upmarket 4WDs ( though I doubt we get any here ). Spheres have been available as modifications to Euro vans from specailist manufacturers. I believe John Deere use hydropneumatics in some tractors ( and as such are a useful source of LHM ). Hydro accumulators were also used as pressure storage for Jaguar and some Audi abs braking systems and in some US systems too. Ferrari have used spheres on the front axle to self level some rear engined cars. Rolls Royce used the system under licence but just to self level. The Rollers still rode on steel. Bilstein offer a self levelling shock absorber strut that doesn't require a pump, as road motion is used to generate the pressure. You are probably right about expired patents, but who knows about the associated software designs that give us Hydractive systems. No doubt others will reply. That is what makes Aussiefrogs to fascinating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzelhund View Post
    The use of spheres has been done by other manufacturers for years. Benz built their own ( that were not spherical )....
    I can tell you from experience that the spheres used on the W124 Benz' (at the rear, wagon only) are shaped very much like the 'pineapple' style spheres on a CX, Instead of being applied at the top of the strut they're remotely mounted in their own little cubby below the 3rd seat, with an in and an out pressure line. The system is supposed to be primarily for self-levelling, but I can tell you a flat sphere feels very much like a flat one in a D. The height cannot be adjusted from in the car.
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    And remember Toyota use ONE and only ONE unfortunately as the pressure accumulator on their Prius. Pity no-one has done what Citroen did and use the hydraulic system for everything. Suspending the vehicle and self levelling, steering, gear changing, power clutch, move the pedals, raise and lower headlights. They could have done more if Paul Mages had his way
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    HRE, have you ever tried to rebuild a Benz height corrector? One place I haunt, had a crack at it, but without joy.

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    Shane may already know that a C4 EGS gearbox has a black accumulator sphere on it. I assume pressure is generated within the gearbox somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    HRE, have you ever tried to rebuild a Benz height corrector? One place I haunt, had a crack at it, but without joy.
    No- never have tried. I should ask to see more. The man I bought the wagon from is a well regarded independent Mercedes service shop. His main mechanic did show me how to set the ride height, but geeze that's a fiddly job. Not at all difficult, just a pain in the arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    Shane may already know that a C4 EGS gearbox has a black accumulator sphere on it. I assume pressure is generated within the gearbox somehow.
    There's a pump right next to the sphere - looks like an ABS pump motor; squat cylindrical shape.

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    Pneumatic systems utilising spheres for suspension and ground pressure equalisation have been all over high end tractors and farm equipment for yonks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addo View Post
    There's a pump right next to the sphere - looks like an ABS pump motor; squat cylindrical shape.
    I'll have a closer look and take a pic when I do an oil change in a couple of weeks.

    The hydraulic lift that elevates the Wurlitzer console at Campsie Orion Centre has a very similar sphere near the top of the cylinder following a major refurb a few years ago.
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