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    Default Ever wonder why we swear by our CX when the going is tough ?



    I couldn't count how many times the CX has saved my skin by doing exactly what I've asked of it, even the seemingly impossible.

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    Center point steering anyone ? check the last scene where half the road is wet/slippery, and half isn't.
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    I know it too. Thats why I took mine to the Flinders Ranges. You need a car that is on your side.
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    I'm impressed!!!

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    here's the full thing ... pitty I don't speak the lingo ..

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    Amazing, I never new they handled that well. I took this for granted when I owned one makes you a better driver just by driving one...
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    Truly awesome stuff. Superior handling comfort and control.


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    They are still a magnificent car to drive particularly over a longer distance. I use mine when ever I can and my wife has happily (well I think so) travelled with me in the CX Familiale

    When I drove zykra's CX to Brisbane in 2011 I'm sure the CX's agility saved me from disaster when I was suddenly aware of a wedgetail eagle dropping onto roadkill just in front of me. If I hadn't swerved it would have been sitting in the passenger's seat.
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    A great car, the challenge is to find one in a good condition
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    Was the Mercedes a 340 D [for Degrees]????Would have been interesting to see a 504 or 604 doing their 'thing'

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    The Merc looks the most fun.

    Although, ESP and decent 4 channel ABS demonstrates as to how much car safety has come along over the past 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    The Merc looks the most fun.

    Although, ESP and decent 4 channel ABS demonstrates as to how much car safety has come along over the past 25 years.
    That's for sure, it'll allow a modern car with there crappy suspension to handle almost as safely as a 35year old Citroen CX .... But with shit ride quality and no ability to ignore poor road surfaces.

    Would you rather rely on flakey electronics or engineering genius that will never fail I'd love to see how modern junk would handle the undulating road with rock hard suspension and no suspension travel.... It would bounce straight off the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    That's for sure, it'll allow a modern car with there crappy suspension to handle almost as safely as a 35year old Citroen CX .... But with shit ride quality and no ability to ignore poor road surfaces.

    Would you rather rely on flakey electronics or engineering genius that will never fail I'd love to see how modern junk would handle the undulating road with rock hard suspension and no suspension travel.... It would bounce straight off the road.

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    It makes me ask the same questions I've been asking ever since I was old enough to take notice of cars.

    Why do people think the German stuff is the best?
    Why is German stuff worth so much and French stuff so little?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    It makes me ask the same questions I've been asking ever since I was old enough to take notice of cars.

    Why do people think the German stuff is the best?
    Why is German stuff worth so much and French stuff so little?
    Very Simple.... Marketing.... any which way you want to cut it

    More Prestige.... Marketing
    Better handling..... Marketing
    Greener..... Marketing
    Better performance.....Marketing

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    When this thread was initiated, I read it as "Ever Wonder Why We Swear At Our CX....". I skipped it as I knew the list would be long and I didn't have the time to read it. Curiosity got the better of me as I thought someone may have had a problem that I had never encountered.

    I loved the CXs I owned. Looking at the interiors of those cars, the seats and the dash on the CX were light years ahead of the competition then and still now.

    Yesterday I was selling car raffle tickets at Bankstown. We had a brand new BMW 3 series on display. When I hopped in to wind down the windows, I was still not impressed by the dash nor the interior door handles. The CX of nearly 40 years ago had a far more ergonomic system.

    Having written off a CX 2400 in a car crash, I was impressed by the way the longerons absorbed the force of the impact. They are comfortable to drive and they are comfortable to crash.

    I am glad I owned CXs for 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimmo View Post
    A great car, the challenge is to find one in a good condition
    Mine is in good condition and getting better. I can assure you it will be in excellent condition very soon, however I can't promise you it will be for sale any time soon becuse I'm loving it too much!
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    If it were my cash, I'd still buy the Merc.

    I reckon if the 300D had the 4 channel ABS in the later models, it would performed much much better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by driven View Post
    Very Simple.... Marketing.... any which way you want to cut it

    More Prestige.... Marketing
    Better handling..... Marketing
    Greener..... Marketing
    Better performance.....Marketing
    Correct!
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    What I find really strange is that in the wet/dry brake test, the spinning cars don't actually take any further to stop than the Citroen which is still under control. Would all 4 wheels be locked on the Cit and he steering system keeps it straight or would it have had ABS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistareno View Post
    What I find really strange is that in the wet/dry brake test, the spinning cars don't actually take any further to stop than the Citroen which is still under control. Would all 4 wheels be locked on the Cit and he steering system keeps it straight or would it have had ABS?
    The rear suspension supplies the rear brake.... given it's rear end is unloaded, there would be nearly no rear brakes at all... so it won't spin. If it had ABS you'd spot the badge on the boot (and you wouldn't have heard the tires screaming as they were locked). I think on the GTi Turbo Petrols had ABS.

    I've demonstrated to quite a few poeple the way DS/GS/CX's handle. By running two wheels into the gravel on the side of the road, taking my hands off the steering wheel and standing on the brakes..... the wheels lock but they track dead straight. Its the center point steering in action. My fathers DS23 only had one working front brake caliper, you couldn't tell when driving it, even if doing a crash stop (unless you noticed only one black line on the road, not two ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I've demonstrated to quite a few poeple the way DS/GS/CX's handle. By running two wheels into the gravel on the side of the road, taking my hands off the steering wheel and standing on the brakes..... the wheels lock but they track dead straight. Its the center point steering in action. My fathers DS23 only had one working front brake caliper, you couldn't tell when driving it, even if doing a crash stop (unless you noticed only one black line on the road, not two ).

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    Its both centre-point steering AND Diravi.

    Centre point steering without Diravi, means that in the case of a front flat tyre (or one wheel on gravel, the other on bitumen), the different load on the road wheels doesn't pull the vehicle in one direction or the other.

    Diravi locks the wheels in the in the straight ahead position once you take the hand off the steering wheel. This can be demonstrated by parking the car, turning the wheels full lock into the kerb. Getting out and locking the car and as you walk away, you will see the residual pressure of the powered steering turning the wheels to the dead ahead position. When the front of the car is jacked off the ground, it is impossible to budge the road wheels. The only way to turn the road wheels is via the steering wheel.

    Both together are perfect. Beautiful French logic, completely lost on the Germans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    If it were my cash, I'd still buy the Merc.

    I reckon if the 300D had the 4 channel ABS in the later models, it would performed much much better!
    Nothing stoping you now! Apart from it being uninspiring & painfully boring!


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I'd love to see how modern junk would handle the undulating road with rock hard suspension and no suspension travel.... It would bounce straight off the road.
    Here is the same program presenting Honda, Volvo and Volkswagen. Check out how the Honda handles the bump test.

    Autotest Honda Prelude EX 16v Volvo 480 turbo VW Golf GTI 16v - YouTube
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    Being a Citroen forum, here is an egg-to-egg comparison between a 2CV and a C-Crosser.

    Citroen 2CV goes head-to-head with new C-Crosser 4x4 - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBN View Post
    Its both centre-point steering AND Diravi.

    Centre point steering without Diravi, means that in the case of a front flat tyre (or one wheel on gravel, the other on bitumen), the different load on the road wheels doesn't pull the vehicle in one direction or the other.

    Diravi locks the wheels in the in the straight ahead position once you take the hand off the steering wheel.

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    Actually the Diravi system 'locks' the steering at any angle. Equal amount of hydraulic forcing each way, you just alter the balance slightly when you steer.

    What is not mentioned in the test, but equally important is the cars performance in crosswinds. I have never driven a car that is better than a CX at this. Add to that the superb suspension and you have a car that is serene no matter what is going on outside.

    Modern cars with ABS, ESP etc etc. don't bother with really good chassis design, they just add the electronic gizmos to bring it up to spec. This is the wrong way to do it. Like Double Chevron I own one like that too and it could do with a redesign by the old Bureau D'Etudes.
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    Yes I'd "kill" for a really nice 1986-1988 CX, one with the houndstooth upholstery, they were probably never here in any number so only come up seldom if at all. Still plenty in France of course of any persuasion... Prestige, petrol, diesel. Quite like the look of the earlier CXs like a 1976 model but you might miss out on power steering and a/c on some cars and the dash to my mind is a bit of a disaster to look at compared to the clarity of the late model ones. But of course a GPS is one way around getting clarity on how fast you are going.

    Catch is the opportunity to drive cars like CXs is now limited. We had the English equivalent of the Holden Astra diesel in the UK about 3 or 4 years ago, 6 speed gearbox. Felt like it had really long legs. If a Diesel CX manual had the same feel (but of course with different suspension) that might be a very nice drive.

    To keep a good CX good? I'd say like most cars having a proper, weatherproof and dark garage is probably a very good start. A carport or out in the weather with rain and sun is most likely the death knell of many cars. We've seen firsthand how quickly GSs deteriorate when left outside.

    Just a case of finding a good CX to experience, savour or save!

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