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    Hi,

    I posted an earlier thread about checking and removal of a battery in a C4. My car is MY08 C4 1.6 diesel with EGS.
    Basically all I wanted to do was check the top of the battery to see if there were any markings indicating the age of the battery. As I had bought the car second hand I didn't know the state of the battery. I've had some recent issues with starting (just clicks and no turnover of engine) but always seemed to start okay after a few attempts and also jiggling the connectors around the fuse box seemed to fix it.
    Typical of the Citroen manual, under the section "REMOVAL OF BATTERY", it just says remove the battery.

    All I wanted to do was check the top of the battery for date markings and not disconnect or remove it. Most other cars I've encountered you can do this and also clean the top of the battery without having to remove it.

    In their wisdom, Citroen have decided to place a large plastic cover over the battery which covers the tops and sides of the battery. Unbelievably you have to disconnect the battery so you can just take this plastic cover off so you can see the top of the battery. The plastic battery cover is just held by a couple of spring clips but these have been over-engineered and require some brute force to loosen the cover. Because half of the battery is hidden under the panel benaeth the windsceen and wipers,then more force is needed to pull the cover out (think of removing a battery from a CX !).

    So after some dirty hands and some brute force you can then see most of the top of the battery.

    All this is just to inspect the battery.
    To take it out, in addition to the above removal of the plastic cover, you then disconnect the positive battery cable. The negative terminal is hidden at the rear under the bulkhead so you do not really have access to it. After unbolting the single 10mm bolt that holds the battery in place. you can then slide the battery forward so you can acces the negative terminal and disconnect that cable.

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    Regarding the 10mm bolt, you need an extension for your ratchet to slip down the side of the battery. This is conveniently placed close to the positive terminal so you will get some nice sparks !!!!!! There is no way an ordinary spanner will fit there, it is just enough space to get your hand in there.

    With the battery slid forward, you can then access the negative terminal and disconnect that. And then you can remove the battery .
    One good feature is that the two connectors aren't the lead type connectors with bolts, but are metal spring operated connectors, quite good with no mucking around with spanners.

    Overall I can't believe why Citroen have made such a simple operation of checking and removing the battery so complicated.

    Anyway this gets me back to the opening of the thread. After taking the battery out, there are some stampings on the surface. Can anyone decipher these for me?
    The battery is branded Varta and has instructions in both French and English so I'm beginning to think this is the original battery. If so that makes it over 5 years old!!!
    I can see one stamping of "300507" which I'm guessing could mean 30 May 2007. Can anyone verify that please.?

    I've attached some pictures of the battery and it's compartment so you can see what I'm talking about.

    So I hope you have as much fun as I have had to check a battery in a C4.

    Glenn
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    Think battery is on way out, indicator looks dark
    Some sealed-top batteries have a built-in hydrometer to indicate charge. The charge indicator only reads one cell, but usually shows the average charge for all battery cells. A green dot means the battery is 75% or more charged and is okay for use or further testing. No dot (a dark indicator) means the battery is low and should be recharged before it is returned to service or tested further.

    Peel off stickers and may be able to access cells under with a hydrometer to accurately check battery

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    Hi Gembee

    I too have a MY 08 C4 HDI EGS, bought in my case second hand. My commiserations with you in your attempts to delve into the the innards of the engine bay. For many years I have owned (and still do) owned D Citroens with which I have been fully engaged in their maintenance and mechanical repairs. I was most surprised to read in the owner's handbook for the C4 that we are specifically forbidden to interfere with their precious diesel.

    I tried to remove the battery cover of my car, but was unwilling to apply the amount of force apperently needed to remove the cover, but I must say that since reading your post, I am encouraged to give it another go. As the Canberra winter approaches, I have noted that the starter is increasingly relunctant to turn the motor over, so the matter is becoming somewhat imperative. I would also like to remove the cover over the top of the engine to see what access there is to the injectors and for priming the fuel system, but again, fear of destroying brittle plastic has stopped me from giving it a ding dong go. Will rethink this one.

    So keep up the efforts. I will look forward to any posts that discuss how to undertake what should be routine maintenance on any car, oil/filter changes (and suitable oil used), coolant specification, windscreen washer additives, brake fluid, etc, etc.

    Be buggered if I have to take the car to the dealer for every little adjustment.

    End of rant.

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    PSA part number = 5600TC

    L3 = European battery size (DIN standard)

    L0 = 175 x 175 x 190 mm
    L1 = 207 x 175 x 190 mm
    L2 = 242 x 175 x 190 mm
    L3 = 278 x 175 x 190 mm
    L4 = 315 x 175 x 190 mm
    L5 = 353 x 175 x 190 mm
    L6 = 394 x 175 x 190 mm

    500 = PSA rating (in-house reference only)

    800A = CCA rating (EN or SAE standard)

    75Ah = Capacity



    PSA Reference Table - http://www.forum307.com/viewtopic.php?p=869361 (scroll down)
    Photos of 5600TC - http://citroens-club.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=23079 (scroll down)



    You may have trouble sourcing an aftermarket battery that matches the OEM specs (75Ah / 800A). The closest ones I could find were:

    Federal 9AGM48 (70Ah / 760A)
    http://www.federalbatteries.com.au/9AGM48/

    Fiamm Titanium Plus L3-80+ (80Ah / 730A)
    http://www.hi-tecbatteries.com.au/au...?cPath=175_195

    Varta Silver Dynamic E44 577 400 (77Ah / 780A)
    http://www.federalbatteries.com.au/E44-577-400/
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    Hi Richard,

    glad somebody can sympathise with me !!!!!
    Like you I gave up in frustation a few weeks ago whils trying to remove the cover. I was also afraid of breaking some plastic in the process. I gave it another go today and was successful. Now I know what to do, the next attempt will be easier.
    I thought I'd summarise my ravings from before.
    1 - you cannot take the plastic cover off the battery without removing the positive cable.
    2 - the battery connector is a squeeze type of connector, no spanner is needed.
    3 - the battery cover just doesn't sit there loose either, it is a push fit arrangement on each side and requires a bit of grunt to unsecure it. It has an angled back so that you have to slide and lift the cover out in one go.
    4 - you don't need to remove the wipers or the plastic tray underneath the wipers.
    5 - the battery is held in place by 10mm bolt and a smal metal bracket which you can't see until you remove the plastic cover. You need a ratchet with a long extension piece. There is no room for a normal spanner and your hand just fits in the space.
    6- the rear of the battery and the -ve terminal is tucked under the windscreen wiper sill panel. You have to lift the battery forward a little so you can access the negative terminal to unclip the connector. Then the battery comes out relatively easy.

    Disconnecting the battery also defaults the settings on the display inside. It defaults back to French. So you have to change it back to English and then reset the date and time etc. The radio station settings didn't get dropped though.

    If I'm correct with the date stamp on my battery (30May07) it will be 6 years old tomorrow. So perhaps time for a new battery.
    Let me know if you still have any issues or ask any questions. If there is any interest I can video the procedure and stick it on You Tube.

    Glenn

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    In this case, the marking will be the date of manufacture, so it's really overdue.
    I recently changed one on a 2.0HDi C4 for a friend and we hooked up a booster pack to keep the car live with the battery out (pos to pos terminal and neg to body via the peg/terminal for this in the engine bay corner).
    I forget what the 1.6 layout is at the moment, but it's probably the same as the 2.0 HDI in the LHF corner, so start by removing the air filter a it helps for access. Connect the charge pack and disconnect the lead. The cover is only retained at the two pints at the lower front edge, so you pull it up at about 45 degrees. Yes, you need an extension for your socket. It helps to have an assistant to manage the charge pack (or spare battery) cables and remember to fit the cover before refitting the pos terminal - I didn't first time around.

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    Hi All,
    just a follow up to this thread and my battery woes.

    Car has been starting ok lately although I could tell the battery was in its death throes, and was telling me it wanted to be replaced.
    In addition the "DE-POLLUTION" warning light was constantly on and didn't extinguish after the engine started (diesel engine).
    I had decided the battery was orignal and the date stamp on the battery confirmed it (300507) meaning the battery was over 6 years old.
    Anyway, with winter coming, decided to replace the battery. Got NRMA batteries to come out and they replaced the battery quickly and no issues. The battery was pretty well stuffed and only measured 182CCA (battery was rated at 800CCA) and its state of health as a percantage figure was about 20%. I'm surprised the car was still starting.
    And hey presto, now the engine starts immediately and the de-pollution warning light has gone too.

    From other threads and C4 owners forum, any electrical issues can sometime be traced back to the battery and its health and age. Todays new cars are very intolerant of unstable voltage supply and need a battery operating at near or maximum efficiency.
    No more going to KMART and buying a cheap battery which I used to do for the CX !.

    Glenn

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    At the risk of upsetting the Citroen eye, how much did the NRMA battery supply and install cost?
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    $250 fitted

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    Note that only the 1.6 HDi engine with 6-speed EGS transmission and 2.0 HDi engines are fitted with a L3 500 battery (75Ah / 800A).

    All other C4 variants (2004-2011) are fitted with a L2 400 battery (60Ah / 640A).

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    I just had to replace the battery in my 2008 C4 1.6 HDI with EGS. For future reference for others here this link helped me work it out:

    Forums / Technical Questions / C4 2.0 HDi Battery Removal? - C4 - DS4 Owners


    Remove positive terminal.
    Lift cover off part 10 on the diagram.
    remove negative terminal.
    undo bolt on the left hand side which holds the retaining plate on. (part 20)
    Remove battery. Then remove the cover from the battery once it is out and fit to new battery and reassemble.


    I had to join a couple of socket extenders to get enough length to get the socket (10mm) down to where the bolt is beside the bottom of the battery on drivers side of the car. Other than that, it required a lot more force than I expected but the plastic is quite flexible and no damage done, comes out at about 45 degrees.

    Once I had the details of the battery I had to find where to get one, tried KMart, no luck, Tried Supercheap Auto, the 2 batteries they offered were 500 and 580 CCA, my car had a 720A where the photo at the beginning of this thread has a 800A, so I wasn't willing to buy a 580A or 500A. I ended up getting one from Battery world, who stock 780A Varta batteries especially for European cars, Cost A$269 in Cannon Hill, Brisbane.

    Hope this is helpful to someone.

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    can anyone tell me if it is necessary to replace the battery box on the C4 (2008 2Ltr) Its a pain to say the least. If its necessary will get my euro mechanic to put it back on. The battery seems well protected there as does the electronics both beside and behind.

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    Hi,

    if you mean the plastic cover I don't think so. I've been running without it since I replaced the battery (see my earlier posts in this thread). Probably the only impact is the battery will get a little dirty.

    gembee

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmanau View Post
    can anyone tell me if it is necessary to replace the battery box on the C4 (2008 2Ltr) Its a pain to say the least. If its necessary will get my euro mechanic to put it back on. The battery seems well protected there as does the electronics both beside and behind.
    Hi - The plastic battery box is there for a reason, otherwise the manufacturer would reduce their cost by $1 for every car they made. It's main purpose is to provide some isolation and insulation from the hot temperatures in the engine bay. One of the factors that degrade batteries and diminish operating life is temperature, and once you go above 25C it's all increasingly downhill from there. Temperature is more significant than most people want to accept.

    I replaced the high CCA Varta battery in Mrs Whippets 307 2Lt HDi approx. 5+ years ago. I drove it twice yesterday and noticed that the "Dong" or "Chime" sounded during starting. This is exactly what occurred prior to replacement last time. I suspect I also will need a new battery soon. It seems that $250 is the market price for these large capacity batteries. I will of course use my now favorite Bond batteries, as I know what components they are made from. Also the local support is excellent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whippet View Post
    Hi - The plastic battery box is there for a reason, otherwise the manufacturer would reduce their cost by $1 for every car they made. It's main purpose is to provide some isolation and insulation from the hot temperatures in the engine bay. One of the factors that degrade batteries and diminish operating life is temperature, and once you go above 25C it's all increasingly downhill from there. Temperature is more significant than most people want to accept.

    I replaced the high CCA Varta battery in Mrs Whippets 307 2Lt HDi approx. 5+ years ago. I drove it twice yesterday and noticed that the "Dong" or "Chime" sounded during starting. This is exactly what occurred prior to replacement last time. I suspect I also will need a new battery soon. It seems that $250 is the market price for these large capacity batteries. I will of course use my now favorite Bond batteries, as I know what components they are made from. Also the local support is excellent.
    My average daily temp in the sun here during the summer makes 25C sound antarctic. I doubt the thin box would protect against in sun temps of over 45C. Its nothing unusual for the car temp reading to be above 48C while sitting in traffic. But we will see found a battery easy enough but will ask the Euro specialist as its due for a timing belt and water pump replacement very soon.

    Thanks to those who answered much appreciated

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    All this is about elderly C4s. How about a current model - C4 Battery checking and removal-c4-fuse-box.jpg
    Can you spot the the battery?

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    On the left.. Yeah its getting crazy what hangs off these things and how sensitive the whole system is to voltage fluctuations. I did have a slight hesitation after a long idle but since the battery change its gone. so has some other intermittent issues

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