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    Default Traction 6 Volt battery...anyone heard of spiral cell technology..any good?

    I am in need of a new battery for my Traction...Have been quoted $153 from RACV batterys for a 600 cca 6 Volt battery which seems a good price....
    but i have found this spiral cell 6 Volt battery..the advertiser claims it is better than conventional types..
    Is this correct...any benefit to paying an extra $100 for it??
    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OPTIMA-RE...307f144&_uhb=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    I am in need of a new battery for my Traction...Have been quoted $153 from RACV batterys for a 600 cca 6 Volt battery which seems a good price....
    but i have found this spiral cell 6 Volt battery..the advertiser claims it is better than conventional types..
    Is this correct...any benefit to paying an extra $100 for it??
    http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OPTIMA-RE...307f144&_uhb=1
    Optima batteries are good stuff, but you need to make sure your charge circuit is up to snuff. A malfunctioning system can wear these out pretty fast, and are almost unrecoverable if they go too low voltage-wise. On the plus side, all the claims they make are true. I've used them to great effect on street rods. I've taken pairs of the 6 volt batteries, hooked them up in series, and voila! I had a lay-flat battery that fit where a conventional 12 volt would not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    Optima batteries are good stuff, but you need to make sure your charge circuit is up to snuff. A malfunctioning system can wear these out pretty fast, and are almost unrecoverable if they go too low voltage-wise. On the plus side, all the claims they make are true. I've used them to great effect on street rods. I've taken pairs of the 6 volt batteries, hooked them up in series, and voila! I had a lay-flat battery that fit where a conventional 12 volt would not.
    Thanks for that.... I just measured up & the optima offered is too tall for my Traction..
    looks like a conventional battery unless I can locate a smaller size
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    Thanks for that.... I just measured up & the optima offered is too tall for my Traction..
    looks like a conventional battery unless I can locate a smaller size
    cheers
    I don't think there is a smaller size Optima- what you see is what you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotrodelectric View Post
    I don't think there is a smaller size Optima- what you see is what you get.
    I got all excited about the optima but it just won't fit height wise...RACV offer a 600 CCA battery that fits for $153 and they come to you & fit...that will do me
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    The Optima would also look totally wrong under the bonnet no matter how good its performance is!
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    Call the guy @ Supercharge[Ballarat]-Cannot remember his name just now but he goes down to Warnambool once a week[from memory].Tell him Peter from Linton gave you his no.-0417385934.
    He will look after you-I have been using Supercaharge battery for 'round 25 years-Have rarely seen any success with RACV batteries.

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    I have a 12 volt battery in my normale and it looks totally wrong but i just love the way it starts and I love having headlights that light up the road!
    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    The Optima would also look totally wrong under the bonnet no matter how good its performance is!

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    Bill, a 12 Volt battery does not look as out of place as those Optimas. Especially if it is nice and black and not some gaudy plastic case affair. Does your car still run the 6 volt starter? 12 Volts makes them really spin. Are you using Dynamo or Altenator?
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    I've had very good use out of every Supercharge battery I've owned. However, don't trust their battery selector explicitly as I've had a 2 out of 2 incorrect listing. To be fair one would have fitted, but the positive wire was not designed for a short battery (MF55 in a SAAB) and the other would not fit because they'd recently changed the top of the case (NS70 in Jag). With the long weekend coming up, there is bound to be a 20% off type deal at one of the chains. The quoted $153 fitted is pretty fair value and you avoid the hassle of the fitting guide being wrong too, although I'd be surprised if it includes a TA.

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    I used a starter, generator and reg out of a light15. just so I could say it was almost original. I had the clock redone for 12 volts it didn't work before and was far more acurate then. it told the right time twice a day. the only real problem was the wiper motor. I bought a 12 volt inverter from Jaycar. you can select what voltage output you want. I'm running it at 7 or 8 volts. it runs at quite a good pace now. I also wanted to use the same starter button. it is pull to start. you can't buy a pull to start they are all push. so i bought a push one drilled a hole through it. mounted it backwards under the dash. the cable goes through the entire switch. so when you pull the starter it connects the wires and bobs your uncle. simple.
    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Bill, a 12 Volt battery does not look as out of place as those Optimas. Especially if it is nice and black and not some gaudy plastic case affair. Does your car still run the 6 volt starter? 12 Volts makes them really spin. Are you using Dynamo or Altenator?

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    A Friend of mine used a 6 Volt starter in a Light 15 ( 12 Volts ) It worked really well. The coils in the field and armature are so heavy that they will take the voltage increase easily. BTW I have an early Lucas starter with the switch ( contact box ) on the side of it for operation with a pull cable start. They were used on Light 15 up to 1940! Interested?
    I would personally like to get my 11BL running at around 8 volts. They are typically charged at 7-7.5 Volts. Would raising the out put to 8 be possible or would it be too muck for the components dangerous? Does any one make an 8 volt battery? It would probably need to be charged at 9-9.5 volts???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    A Friend of mine used a 6 Volt starter in a Light 15 ( 12 Volts ) It worked really well. The coils in the field and armature are so heavy that they will take the voltage increase easily. BTW I have an early Lucas starter with the switch ( contact box ) on the side of it for operation with a pull cable start. They were used on Light 15 up to 1940! Interested?
    I would personally like to get my 11BL running at around 8 volts. They are typically charged at 7-7.5 Volts. Would raising the out put to 8 be possible or would it be too muck for the components dangerous?
    Years ago the VW folk used to get 8V batteries (4 cells instead of 3) and tweak their voltage regulators. I haven't heard of anyone doing this for quite a while, but I've always wondered....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    The Optima would also look totally wrong under the bonnet no matter how good its performance is!
    very true...thye do look soooo wrong...however I did find someone selling traditonal style black empty case to fit over the optima!!! giving the period look....
    it's too tall anyhow unless I lay it sideways..which you can do with one of these..
    I also like the fact that they don't lose charge if not used for 6 months...with my 9 cars I just don't get to use them all as I'd like and batterys fail....perhaps a trickle charger
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    Default 8 Volt battery used in an 11BL

    Way back in the early eighties I was always having trouble starting my 11BL and I was advised that an 8 volt battery that had been designed for VW's would solve the problem.
    I fitted one in my car and "voila" instant starting and much brighter lights.
    However the problem that I had was the 6 volt headlamp bulbs did not take too kindly to the extra 2 volts.
    I attended an "AUSTRACTION" in Ballarat at that time and knowing that I may have had the odd bulb failure I took some spare bulbs with me.
    By the time I arrived back home in Sydney the only light I had was one high beam having exhausted my bulb supply.

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    Why not just convert to 12volts? I'm sure the starter can handle it (I used to do that on a 6volt renault 4 .... gee's the starter sure does spin fast). The cabling will all be heavier and better than required (as it's designed to higher amperage) .... An ID alternator would slip right in there and look identical..... Leaving, um, just the fuel gauge to worry about and some bulb If your really worried about the way it looks ( I drive around with my bonnet down, but anyway )

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    Trickle charger is the way to go dogboy. Friend set up a solar powered 12V to his Mercedes 190SL and aircraft and overcome the hassle of having to charge up the battery before using either of the above toys.

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    Yes the trickle charger is the way to go. At the moment I charge using a conventional charger every three to four weeks. Super Cheap sell solar trickle chargers the are meant to be connected all the time the car is idle.
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    If I knew you had it when I was doing the conversion I would hav e snapped it up. Thanks for the offer.
    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    A Friend of mine used a 6 Volt starter in a Light 15 ( 12 Volts ) It worked really well. The coils in the field and armature are so heavy that they will take the voltage increase easily. BTW I have an early Lucas starter with the switch ( contact box ) on the side of it for operation with a pull cable start. They were used on Light 15 up to 1940! Interested?
    I would personally like to get my 11BL running at around 8 volts. They are typically charged at 7-7.5 Volts. Would raising the out put to 8 be possible or would it be too muck for the components dangerous? Does any one make an 8 volt battery? It would probably need to be charged at 9-9.5 volts???????

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    By the by, back in the late 60's, a 6V VW starter handled 12 V's without a fuss.

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    I have an Optima in the CX. It is very good but it still is a lead acid battery so needs to be looked after. A charge every now and then does the trick. I doubt it could start the CX if it wasn't touched for 6 months, but then I would never do that to the old girl
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    What a week... things happen in three's and the Traction & Honda starter have problems...not the battery after all
    my 66 Safari also won't turn over but that is due to the engine not turning (couldn't budge it even with the crank)
    At least with Grisys help we put nylon blocks into the Safari so she can be moved and have taken the little GS apart so the hydraulic leak can be fixed....
    at least things are moving forward !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slough40 View Post
    Way back in the early eighties I was always having trouble starting my 11BL and I was advised that an 8 volt battery that had been designed for VW's would solve the problem.
    I fitted one in my car and "voila" instant starting and much brighter lights.
    However the problem that I had was the 6 volt headlamp bulbs did not take too kindly to the extra 2 volts.
    I attended an "AUSTRACTION" in Ballarat at that time and knowing that I may have had the odd bulb failure I took some spare bulbs with me.
    By the time I arrived back home in Sydney the only light I had was one high beam having exhausted my bulb supply.

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    I think you could fix that with the correct resistors in series with the bulbs.
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