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    Hello members!.
    Thanks for letting me join your forum. I dont own a French car, but have a question that I need help on, that kind of relates to French vehicle!!
    I bought a trailer recently and the guy who sold it said the axle was from an "old Citroen"!!
    Hence, I need some help identifying what the heck model these wheels may have come off!!....Why??? Well, i am hoping to change the hubs over and need to figure out what the teeth count and diametre of the axle is!....i could take the whole thing a part...but would like to avoid the need if I have to!...just trying to work out if my changed hub idea is feasable, before I attack it with spanners!
    Any ideas would be very much appreciated!
    They are 3 stud, but the PCD is hard to work out...I get 160 measuring it one way and 108 doing it another way (I blame google!!)
    I should add that they are 4.5x15" wheels....

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    Renault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingswood View Post
    Hello members!.
    Thanks for letting me join your forum. I dont own a French car, but have a question that I need help on, that kind of relates to French vehicle!!
    I bought a trailer recently and the guy who sold it said the axle was from an "old Citroen"!!
    Hence, I need some help identifying what the heck model these wheels may have come off!!....Why??? Well, i am hoping to change the hubs over and need to figure out what the teeth count and diametre of the axle is!....i could take the whole thing a part...but would like to avoid the need if I have to!...just trying to work out if my changed hub idea is feasable, before I attack it with spanners!
    Any ideas would be very much appreciated!
    They are 3 stud, but the PCD is hard to work out...I get 160 measuring it one way and 108 doing it another way (I blame google!!)
    Hello, Kingswood, and welcome to the Dark Side. About your wheels, those do not look like anything Citroen I've ever seen. The French were notorious for the 3-lug wheel, all 3 major manufacturers used them. Might have been a national lug shortage, I don't know. Anyway, can we get a shot of the axle and hub they're attached to? That might prove to be useful.

    And yes- we can blame Google.
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    Thanks for the replies...Very quick
    I will take a photo of the axe and wheel hub tomorrow morning and get it posted!....The more googling I do, the more I think renault also...
    I appreciate the help....My trailer thanks you

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    Well i am none the wiser...Took the hubs off and the shaft diametre is to small for what I wanted to do
    Changing the whole axle over now!
    Thanks for the help and I will just have to accept that I may never know what these rims are!

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    I would think that 3 stud wheels were pretty rare so why not send your question to a motor museum. You might get an answer. This might be a place to start.

    http://history.sa.gov.au/motor/motor.htm

    Alternatively, go further afield

    http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/

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    AX perhaps? There were a few sold here, quite a few being in WA.

    GS and 2cv rims do not seem to have a large hole in the middle and the Saxo (/ Pug 106), which also had 3 studs, were not sold here.

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    Thanks for the links! Will contact them...Just interested to know what they are now!....Could be useful to someone if restoring etc

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    Ax's had 3 stud and later on 4 stud...

    And peugeots 106 had 3 stud too....



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    Well have emailed the pic to the motor museum!....
    I dont think AX or the 106, simply because these things look older than the years those cars were made....
    Maybe they are off a Renault as posted above.....I will pop the pic over on their forum too
    Mainly interested in finding out so i can give them to someone who may find them useful....seems to waste what I suspect would be fairly rare wheels

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    There much older than AX. They go back to the 30's or 40's. Something with drum brakes, something like Cit C5 (original 1930's version) or Ren Juvaquatre. I'm leaning towards juvaquatre because there was more sold here.
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    From what I've seen, the 'vintage' Citroen models had 4 stud wheels, even the baby 5cv of the Twenties.

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    Thanks guys. Interestingly they were drum brakes....I will google the cars you mention and see if I can find a pic of the rims to compare to. I really think they are to good to waste and must be of use to someone out there

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    Try Hillman '40's ?? That's what they look like to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Cavanagh View Post
    There much older than AX. They go back to the 30's or 40's. Something with drum brakes, something like Cit C5 (original 1930's version) or Ren Juvaquatre. I'm leaning towards juvaquatre because there was more sold here.
    I just googled Juvaquatre and the commercial version as very possible. The car is different but and van looks promising. Can't see behind the hub caps so can't see the stud pattern.
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    In trying to identify the wheel I think we should forget the French type.
    I'm thinking English. Standard had 3 stud wheels pre-war and possibly later. 4.5 x 15 rim would make it one of their medium sized sedans ie Standard 16. "Flying Standard" ?
    The wheel centre and hubcap locating method leans toward early '40's - '50's.
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    Thanks for the help!....i have also emailed the Aust Hillman club
    Wheels to good to waste!

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    My guess and money was on a
    What are these wheels????-standard-10.jpg
    Standard 10, however as my father sold these cars in Victoria in 1950's, I consulted his memory, but these at 4 studs he said.

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    I found another pic of the standard 10 and they do look like 4 stud...Thanks google images!

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    I didn't think Standard were 15" either. But its been many years since I've seen one.
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    and nore would you want to see another one.
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    I didn't think Standard were 15" either. But its been many years since I've seen one.


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    The Standard model I referred to was '40's to '50's. Possibly the model known as the "Flying Standard" 14 or 16hp. Running boards, headlights attached to radiator shell.
    The Standard car pictured is the "8" or "10" model. Much later than my description.

    Reading through the attempts to describe the wheel has me thinking that you blokes are children of the '60's or later

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    Maybe, trying to identify the axle the wheels are fitted to might help? It's likely to have been taken complete from the donor car.
    If it's a solid axle or diff unit as used in rear wheel drive cars, it would eliminate a lot of the later cars and most of the Citroen models.
    They do have that fairly early post-war look about them.

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    Something post war 50's european? Skoda, Lloyd, Borgward etc? It must have been a small car as 16 inch wheels were more prevalent.
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    Thanks guys!.....Axle has diff, so whatever it was was rear-wheel drive...Drum brakes. Smallish wheel track...i measured it at about 1100mm (from inner hub to inner hub).....I have no idea what they are off!!!

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