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    Well I've bought one of the clone units from a vendor in WA.

    Nice piece of kit arrived today. Lots of leads and 2 DVD's and stickers.

    Installed it on my Eee PC running WIndows XP.

    I've now spent about 5 hours on and off trying to activate the bloody software. I've followed all the instructions I could find (not too many of them!) to the letter, but every time I finally enter a validation code generated by the keygen, I get the dreaded "Error code 11" invalid code.

    I'm up to the third full install.

    I've tried the "update" files with similar results.

    Am I missing something obvious?

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    Does the gadget need to be inserted in the OBD socket to be activated?

    I've tried it with the USB in and out, no joy.

    I'm very disappointed in the level of information supplied (almost none). Has anyone else experienced this level of frustration?

    I should add that I play with PC's for a living and I've been associated with them since they were horse and buggy jobs with Z80 processors. If I can't make sense of it, how the hell is your average Greasy Joe mechanic supposed to make it work?

    You might get the vibe that I'm pissed off about now, and you'd be right.

    I'll get some sleep and attack it tomorrow with a fresh brain.

    In the meantime, any input and advice the Brains Trust can offer will be gratefully accepted.

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    Hi Pottsy

    Greasy Joe the mechanic is supposed to buy a genuine frog unit, which should be able to be activated without too much trouble . Surprised to hear you can now buy clone Lexias in Australia. I agree about the lack of documentation - I considered updating the Readme file and emailing it back to the vendor for incorporation into future copies of the CD, but it would have been a lost cause - I couldn't read/reply to my emails, so suspect that he didn't actually read English, but had a few email "templates" for standard messages that he could use in most situations...

    I also had a lot of trouble getting mine activated, but will have to think back to remember what i did. I am certain that it does not need to be connected to a car during activation. I have had to admit defeat regarding Diagbox V6.x . My unit was advertised as being suitable for use with V6, but although I can activate the software, the whole system doesn't work - have to assume that the firmware is not compatible. Works fine with the earlier packages...

    I find mine works well on "newer" cars (Series II Xantia, 406, Series I 307). Older ones, such as Series I Xantia, and Pug 605 require the bigger plug (which I had to buy separately, from a different vendor), and I have seen a disparaging comment from Addo about those plugs not connecting well. Might be my problem, as I can't get it to work on the 605. Anyway, no point anticipating problems that you are not up to yet :-).

    Will have a look in the morning and see if I can recall how I finally beat it into submission.

    Cheers

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    Update:

    Have found my thread from when I purchase the unit:
    eBay feedback - how influential?

    Have just checked, and the qclt.com site is still there - you may find something useful there...

    Reading the thread reminded me that apparently the hardware unit is called an Actia, with Lexia being the name of the Citroen software. Have you tried installing the Peugeot software - PP2000?

    Cheers

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    I bought one recently as well and had trouble installing it. It is notoriously bad software and runs poorly on a crowded PC. Really needs a dedicated PC cleared of all extraneous crap. This is what I did in any case. Then I still had trouble until I prodded the seller who did get back to me with Changlese instructions that did eventually work. You basically have to be very careful how you enter you user name and pass word. The instructions I received follw. They may or may not work with yours.

    Diagbox安装说明


    1 Ready:Install under XP system, change the language to English(American)
    2 Installthe software: Open diagbox CD, run “Diagbox setup”, ChooseEnglish, then install according to tips. After installation, you willenter activate interface as below:

    3 Crack:After installation, close the software. Crack the software. CopypatchDBV05 and paste in root directory of C disk. Open crack file,click DAL, then see “successful”, Crack succeed.


    4Activation: When you activate, put the CD in the drive first., thenclick the shortcut on the desktop
    . Choose "manual activate", input 1234567 inclient code. Click confirm, you will see the Registered interface,then input activation code : 12345678901234567890123456789011, theninput 8 Configuration coding: 20FFF000, then click "confirmactivation" . After Activation Completed, insert the tool andinstall the drive, you can use the diagbox.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pdjones View Post
    I bought one recently as well and had trouble installing it. It is notoriously bad software and runs poorly on a crowded PC. Really needs a dedicated PC cleared of all extraneous crap. This is what I did in any case. Then I still had trouble until I prodded the seller who did get back to me with Changlese instructions that did eventually work. You basically have to be very careful how you enter you user name and pass word. The instructions I received follw. They may or may not work with yours.

    Diagbox安装说明


    1 Ready:Install under XP system, change the language to English(American)
    2 Installthe software: Open diagbox CD, run “Diagbox setup”, ChooseEnglish, then install according to tips. After installation, you willenter activate interface as below:

    3 Crack:After installation, close the software. Crack the software. CopypatchDBV05 and paste in root directory of C disk. Open crack file,click DAL, then see “successful”, Crack succeed.


    4Activation: When you activate, put the CD in the drive first., thenclick the shortcut on the desktop
    . Choose "manual activate", input 1234567 inclient code. Click confirm, you will see the Registered interface,then input activation code : 12345678901234567890123456789011, theninput 8 Configuration coding: 20FFF000, then click "confirmactivation" . After Activation Completed, insert the tool andinstall the drive, you can use the diagbox.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pdjones View Post
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    OK, I think I've wrestled it to the ground.

    For the benefit of future generations, and my own memory, here's the process I followed.

    Start Eee on XP and then close the Internet access (wireless in my case) and disable the antivirus temporarily (NOD32 in my case)

    Run the Lex3 installer (instLex3.exe) from the first CD. When it comes up with an information spiel about how to contact the factory etc, close that with a Gallic shrug and contempt. Exit from whatever is running at that stage as it'll just spit at you if you go further.

    Now insert the second CD and run the update to version 347.19. This is on the CD in the folder "V47". Open the Lexia update folder in here to reveal a Citroen symbol which is the icon for "Lexia_update_V347.19.exe" Run this.

    Computer will prompt for a restart, let it do it.

    Now run the Lexia Office (Yellow icon with red chevrons and the title Lexia3).

    Follow the process until it says to select manual activation (F3)

    You'll get to a screen that asks for the Customer Code. You should have this in the documentation so enter it and confirm it. (I'm not going to put any of these numbers up here)

    Next screen asks for an activation code. Above the blank space for that is a set of four numbers which are, in order, the Customer Code, the Software version, the PC identifier and the request code. (God knows where these come from, I can only assume part of the cracked code)

    Note these down from the screen on a good old steam powered bit of paper.

    Now minimise the screen and open the "Install Introduce" folder on the first CD. In there you'll find a Key generator.

    Run this and it'll ask for the numbers you wrote down above. Note that the software version will be just the Lexia-347 bit, no decimals for this.

    Check you've faithfully entered all the numbers then click on "generate". A huge row of characters will appear in the bottom window. Copy this as one. (highlight and CTRL c)

    Now re-open the Lexia Office and paste (CTR v) the monstrous code into the waiting space.

    Hit the confirm button and if everything goes according to plan, you should now get a page that says you've done it and advising that you write down the numbers. Note that the monster code will now appear in 4 character groups with hyphens between. (Re-engage the aforementioned steam powered recording devioce)

    If you don't get this page, but get an "error code 11" then you'll share my frustration and start all over again.

    I found that diffferent bits of the scrappy TXT files on the DVDs gave me different combinations of numbers for the activation codes, so all I can suggest is keep trying until you win. Then punch the air, do the happy dance and have a beer.

    As soon as Grand-daughter is returned to No 2 Son I'm going to plug into Zaphod and see if all this hassle was worth it.

    More anon!

    Cheers, Pottsy
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    Congratulations, and welcome to the club .

    Also for the benefit of those still to acquire this tool of the trade:

    1. What pdjones has documented is Diagbox - a single program for Citroen and Peugeot that replaces Lexia & PP2000. I believe that you need a later version of the firmware in the Actia unit for this to work. Anyone who wants to try Diagbox (V.6) can download it here :
    http://download.qclt.com/diagbox6.01/

    2. What Pottsy has described can vary - I only got the one disc for both Lexia and PP2000, with base level and update(s) in separate folders. Also my updated version of Lexia is V347.99. In addition, my disc contains a video of the installation process - a bit tedious, as it is is provided unedited, including long periods when nothing appears to be happening!

    2a. On the disk I have, Key generator is in a folder called Lexia3_Keygen. As well as the key generator in this folder, there is another folder called "Instruction photo" - this contains a series of screen dumps that illustrate the activation process after a successful installation.

    2b. On the disk I have, the customer code was provided in a "readme" file in the keygen folder. NOTE: On the Lexia screen, this is referred to as the RRDI code.

    2c. As Pottsy says, getting the version number right on the code generator screen (Lexia-345) is very important.

    2d. On my version, the hyphens are generated in the code - so must be a different one to Pottsy's. After filling in the numbers and clicking "Get Code", the next step is to highlight and copy that code. On the version I have, don't let the mouse pointer take a short-cut across the fields you filled in, or the code will vanish (most perplexing)! Move the mouse around the outside of the Keygen window, and approach the code from below - you can then highlight, copy and paste.

    3. I also received 2 disks for Diagbox - one for original program, one for updates. The installation was fine, but I had great difficulty activating it. Easiest turned out to be downloading the very latest patch file from the 'qclt' download site mentioned above - the activation process has been considerably simplified. However that was as far as I got - can't remember whether the problem lay in software not recognising the Actia unit, or whether the Actia unit was failing to communicate with the BSI etc. - I'd better have another try one day!

    Good luck

    Alec
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    Thanks for that Alec. It seems the variations are many.

    Hopefully we may be assisting others in the future.

    I still have an issue, however. I had a brief try at making the whole thing talk to Zaphod the 1996 Xantia, but so far without success.

    Can anyone enlighten me as to what configuration items need to be set by the user and which ones are automatic? There seems to be about three different modem choices, none of which are obviously correct. Other things are blank as well, and which of the three lots of numbers supplied on the stickers is the unit serial number. All this sort of stuff (I reckon) should be provided by the vendor. I've expressed my dissatisfaction to him/her so far with no response.

    So to summarise, I've got the laptop talking to the Actia unit, and the software seems to talk to the unit as well, it's just that nothing seems to talk to the car yet.

    Time will tell, but not tonight.

    Cheers, Pottsy

    Oh, and can anyone enlighten me as to the difference between Lexia and Proxia software suites? I understand the Diagbox is supposed to apply to Pugs, but could be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pottsy View Post
    OK, I think I've wrestled it to the ground.

    For the benefit of future generations, and my own memory, here's the process I followed.

    I found that diffferent bits of the scrappy TXT files on the DVDs gave me different combinations of numbers for the activation codes, so all I can suggest is keep trying until you win. Then punch the air, do the happy dance and have a beer.

    As soon as Grand-daughter is returned to No 2 Son I'm going to plug into Zaphod and see if all this hassle was worth it.

    More anon!

    Cheers, Pottsy


    And after all that, all you drank was beer?

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    It's different for newer vehicles - haven't tried an 'older' vehicle lately. Don't remember having to supply unit serial number. Might have a try at connecting my Series I Xantia after dinner...

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    OK, yes Alec, it was for a Diagbox. Sorry Pottsy.

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    Hey don't stress guys. I'm just glad to know it wasn't just me.

    As I said before, I'm no stranger to the vagaries of software and computers in general (The bane of my life sometimes!) so it's reassuring that others have had the same sort of problems.

    As for the beer, well the Jamieson's bottle was empty!

    Cheers, Pottsy
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    Well it turned out I had to install Lexia 3 - hadn't reinstalled it since last attempt to get Diagbox working. Good chance to refresh the memory - looks like between the two of us we've identifed most of the quirks.

    Here are a few things I noted in passing:

    * Proxia is Pug equivalent of Lexia - aka Peugeot Planet Office. PP2000 may be one App within Proxia suite, or they might be different names for the same thing.

    * Diagbox is for both Peugeot and Citroen. It is essentially a front end - after a single installation (& activation), when Diagbox is launched you are asked to choose either Peugeot or Citroen, which essentially links you to Proxia or Lexia.

    * Apply all updates (in Diagbox there are a series of updates, which have to be installed in order) before trying to activate - you will have to activate after an update anyway...

    * Don't try and update from the Internet, or activate via the Internet.

    * The first time you start Lexia, it will try and get updates from the Internet, so make sure the computer is NOT connected to the web, and wait for the update screen to time out.

    * Even though you have not activated yet, you will be asked to select your vehicle (don't worry, it's multiple choice ), and enter the VIN number. It's only after this that it will ask for activation - choose Manual Activation.

    * Although the activation README has instructions to enter the Software Version number (or "Number of the version" as it is labelled on the key generator) as LEXIA-345, what it really means is to enter your version number in that format- ie first 3 digits only. The software version number should be read off the Lexia activation screen along with PC identifier, and Request code.

    * My original installation was 345. The update was labelled 347.99, but once installed the software reported that it was actually 348.01, so I entered LEXIA-348 into the key generator.

    * "Validate" and "Confirm" mean "Press Enter key". Press the Return key usually means press F9 - it never means "Press the Enter key".

    * If you see a command/request to connect the power cord, ignore it - these modern devices get all the power they need from the USB port.

    * With a Series I Xantia, don't forget to enter immobiliser code after turning on key.

    * I only managed to get a dialogue with the injection and aircon systems in my Series I Xantia - even though my car is a VSX, and has ABS brakes and an airbag, there was no response from those systems. This does not mean that I haven't installed it correctly, as it works perfectly with a Series II Xantia.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pottsy View Post
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    I had a brief try at making the whole thing talk to Zaphod the 1996 Xantia, but so far without success.

    Can anyone enlighten me as to what configuration items need to be set by the user and which ones are automatic? There seems to be about three different modem choices, none of which are obviously correct. Other things are blank as well, and which of the three lots of numbers supplied on the stickers is the unit serial number. All this sort of stuff (I reckon) should be provided by the vendor. I've expressed my dissatisfaction to him/her so far with no response.

    So to summarise, I've got the laptop talking to the Actia unit, and the software seems to talk to the unit as well, it's just that nothing seems to talk to the car yet.

    Time will tell, but not tonight.

    Cheers, Pottsy
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    What are you talking about? Configuration items, modems, serial numbers? Have you found your way into some obscure settings screen because you couldn't get it to talk to Xaphod the Xantia? If so you wont get any help here, because none of us have needed to changed the default settings! The only thing I was asked for was Proxy settings, which I declined to provide.

    Perhaps I'd better send you a copy of my CD (even the update is 98 MB, so a bit big to email ). My version number is not a lot higher than yours, but perhaps there were significant changes between 347 and 348 .

    Now we know that you have the Serial -> USB driver installed, because you would not be able to get the software to run if it could not detect the Actia device, let alone successfully activate. So the problem may be with the cable connection? Have you connected to the big socket next to the fuses (near driver's door)? Do you have one of these?
    Lexia issues-plug-older-cars.jpg
    ie the big plug to go into the big socket of the earlier interface. I had to order my plug separately, from a different supplier, as it did not come with the kit.

    The only input, apart from the occasional menu choice, is the VIN number (on our 406 D9, I am asked for a build code, and then it tells me the VIN).

    Now having said all that, I have not been able to get any communication with my 605, which is slightly older than Xaphod. OK, it uses Proxia/PP2000 instead of Lexia, but I have just had PP2000 working perfectly with our new 12 year old Pug 406. I think if we can get to the bottom of one connection failure, we might solve both.

    PM me a postal address & I'll post you a copy of my software - can't hurt to try

    Cheers

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    Thanks for that.

    When I found a "configuration settings" menu option I naturally assumed I needed to set it up.

    'Twould seem perhaps not by what you say.

    I'm using the "later OBD plug to Older EOBD large brown plug" lead (as in your picture) which came with the unit. I've also got another one of those leads that I bought to use with the abortive attempt with the ELM-327 device.

    I found a document today detailing the pinout of the big brown connector so I may do some careful checking and probing, probably not until the weekend now.

    I'll hold off on the offer of the CD for the moment until I've had a chance to play a bit more.

    One saving grace is that Zaphod doesn't have that stupid immobiliser keypad thingy. I've never been sure what they were on when they came up with that one, but I imagine if I had one I would have cracked it big time by now!

    All I really want at this stage is to talk to the injection as I suspect one or more sensors are dodgy.

    I could bite the bullet and simply invest in a new oxy sensor at least, but a quid's a quid.

    On a related vein, I've got a little Jaycar box that's basically an extended range voltmeter for monitoring the oxy sensor output voltage. I thought I'd have a go at connecting that up, so I invested in the plug/socket arrangement from a wreck at French Connection intending to make a "tee-off" so I could easily plug on the monitor.

    Wouldn't you know, after making the adaptor I started fishing down there for the connection, and it's a bloody different connector! I reckon this car was designed by the legendary Murphy (of Bastards Incorporated!)!

    Anyway, more anon when I have some daylight and hopefully warmth in which to explore the vagaries of the system.

    Cheers, Pottsy
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    Update time

    Finally managed to talk to Zaphod in another way other than the usual profanity (exquisitely phrased, but nonetheless profane)

    I suspect my problem may have been a dodgy connector combined with impatience. The Lexia software seems to be lethargic at best, and downright arthritic at times. Perhaps running on my little XP machine isn't really helping either.

    Anyway, after changing the interface cable (old OBD plug to new OBD socket), and waiting patiently as it went through its arcane machinations, I was able to interrogate the ECU and all the sensors and stuff and somewhat surprisingly it had no error codes to report. I've yet to try it again with the original lead supplied with the Lexia gadget.

    I find this a bit baffling as I seem to be hearing pre-ignition type rattling noises from the donk on light throttle, such as when climbing a hill it's fine under a large throttle setting but gives out with the rattles when I button off the pedal preparatory to turning or otherwise slowing.

    Having heard the noise briefly in a car park as I was turning I wondered if in fact I might have a dodgy CV joint, but that can't possibly happen as I have two brand new ones on the shelf awaiting that eventuality! Equally, I haven't been able to reproduce the noise under turning conditions, but it does it fairly consistently on light throttle.

    All will be revealed when I next have a chance to play with the beast.

    Just thought I'd let you all know (as obviously you've all been waiting breathlessly to hear how I got on! )

    Cheers, Pottsy
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    I'm thinking about buying one of these, mainly for use on an 03 c5 HDI. However, looking at most of the ones I see on eBay they don't all claim to work with c5. Has anybody had any success?

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    I bought mine several years ago and it works on my C5 X7 OK. I have also used it on a Series 1 C5 with no problems. It all depends on how up to date your software version is. However some software versions work better on some models of cars than others.

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    Thanks for the reply Ken W, I suppose I'll have to buy one and see how I go. If I have issues getting it to work, I'll know who to ask.

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    I also bought one from wa eBay user . I have 06 c5. I got the tried diagbox and lexia , it would recognize the unit but not the car. I've sent it back for an exchange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haydent View Post
    I also bought one from wa eBay user . I have 06 c5. I got the tried diagbox and lexia , it would recognize the unit but not the car. I've sent it back for an exchange.

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    luckily it was a faulty unit, as id read others mention happen. the new unit connects !

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    Hi Guys,
    it's interesting reading these posts from 2 years ago where fellow Froggers were trying to install and use Lexia and PP2000 programs.
    Many could get the software installed, and get the connector unit to work ok with the PC but couldn't get the cars to connect properly through the connector. That's exactly what happened to me at first. Everything installed ok, and passwords put in ok, activation ok etc...but still no connection.
    What I discovered was that the connector has to have it's USB driver set up first, and then the chips in it have to be enabled using the flash program which also came on the disc. It's called " PSA Interface Checker install".. If you run this with the connector connected to your USB... it prepares the connector for connection to the car.

    Cheers... George 1/8th

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    Hi guys and a Merry Christmas to all.

    Now, I've used Ken's Lexia several times on my C5x04 Hdi and it works really well, I also used it to run through my ;99 Zara 1.8 ltr with no problems. It did come up with "intermittent RH door internal lock button" so that gives an idea of what it can do.
    Good luck with your, unit but remember Lexia won't diagnose a mechanical fault, it measures electrical circuits and sensors only but it's still up to the users' interpretation of the displayed information in which to correctly rectify a problem. Sometimes it will give a false misleading code and keep on doing so until you ignore it and move on. As on my C5 it constantly gave up PO380 "Post heating Short circuited to neg or open circuit" despite the relay being disconnected. And there being only 30 cm of wire between the ECU and the relay, ruling out harness issues.
    So only treat it as guide to the possible right direction and you won't go wrong in. Good luck.

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