C5 Saloon 2008 towbar and wiring loom wanted. Any clues?
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    Default C5 Saloon 2008 towbar and wiring loom wanted. Any clues?

    Hi,

    Does anyone know where I can get a towbar and wiring loom kit for a series II Citroen C5 2.2 diesel Saloon? New or secondhand is fine. Anyone offering to fit is also good.

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    You don't want one from a Series 1 as they do not stick out enough to clear the rear bar. The bottom of the skirt needs to be cut away at the neck, but it otherwise just bolts up. Wagon towbars are very slight different again.

    Check with a dealer about whether you need the extra relay box for the boot and harness. You probably do need the extra box, but I think it's not always the case. Quite a few towbars were fitted to cars without (the expensive) electrics to be used as bike racks, so beware if you do actually need the electrics.

    In Melbourne BM Spares are worth a try, but see if you can price and/or locate one from a dealer as a start.

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    ebay uk is your friend. Email a few sellers and see who will do the best postage to Australia. I imagine you'll get one with a relay bypass kit for the wiring for about $400 delivered to your doorstep

    eg:
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CITROEN-Wi...item589cdb8cea

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    Thanks alot guys.

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    Some research as to whether tow bars out of the UK will comply with Australian ADR's might pay. I know that you can ignore that but that doesn't help if you are in an accident and an investigator is looking for someone to blame. Just a thought.

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    Fair point but were can I get an ADR rated towbar? Can't find any available myself. Ironbull seem like the only supplier and not sure whether they claim ADR status or not.

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    i got one in from the UK for the 407. it looked pathetic in the piccies with it's funny looking little towball..... but it's bloody heavy and very well made when it arrives. Postage won't be cheap as there very heavy. That's why I suggest emailing a few sellers for postage costs.

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    OK Shane. Got ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdjones View Post
    Fair point but were can I get an ADR rated towbar? Can't find any available myself. Ironbull seem like the only supplier and not sure whether they claim ADR status or not.
    Hi
    A friend of mine purchased an Iron Bull to fit to his new VW transporter. He researched it because of the warranty concerns, but said he considered the EEU approved stuff has automatic approval here under some regs. It was OK and he fitted it himself and wired it with the supplied kit.

    If you think the Citroen tow bars are a rip off then the VW ones will shock you. They tried to claim he could not fit any others or it would void his warranty etc and thought they had him over a barrel. That was a mistake It was almost two years ago and he has towed a few tons of gear since then shifting house etc.

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    Hi, well a lot of my trouble was solved when I worked out that my vehicle is a facelift Series I model rather than a II. As far as the ADR regs go, I am happy that I would be covered by the following statement in the Australian Design Rules webpage document

    Harmonisation

    The Australian Government’s policy is to harmonise the national vehicle safety standards with international regulations where possible and consideration is given to the adoption of the international regulations of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE). Australia is a signatory to the UNECE 1958 Agreement and the 1998 Agreement. The policy to harmonise is also important to fulfil World Trade Organisation and Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation commitments.

    By this I think it arguable(perhaps not successfully and I am NOT a lawyer) that EC rules apply here where they do not contradict our ADRs.

    I eventually ordered via PFJones in manchester, UK. Perhaps not the cheapest (postage was exie) but great service and I felt confidant in dealing and talking with their staff. Th\ey also share family resemblances

    Anyway, that is all I know. Towbar and electrics will be installed Monday week. Thanks for al your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdjones View Post
    Hi, well a lot of my trouble was solved when I worked out that my vehicle is a facelift Series I model rather than a II. As far as the ADR regs go, I am happy that I would be covered by the following statement in the Australian Design Rules webpage document

    Harmonisation

    The Australian Governmentís policy is to harmonise the national vehicle safety standards with international regulations where possible and consideration is given to the adoption of the international regulations of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE). Australia is a signatory to the UNECE 1958 Agreement and the 1998 Agreement. The policy to harmonise is also important to fulfil World Trade Organisation and Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation commitments.

    By this I think it arguable(perhaps not successfully and I am NOT a lawyer) that EC rules apply here where they do not contradict our ADRs.

    I eventually ordered via PFJones in manchester, UK. Perhaps not the cheapest (postage was exie) but great service and I felt confidant in dealing and talking with their staff. Th\ey also share family resemblances

    Anyway, that is all I know. Towbar and electrics will be installed Monday week. Thanks for al your help.
    There is a company on the gold coast that specialises in European towbars and wiring. also note cars from Europe are registered in Australia under European standards not ADR's but importers and dealers mislead buyers of accessories such as towbars by lying that they cannot fit European and call ones made in New Zealand with bypass wiring genuine which is now becoming a problem as computers will not recognise if your towing a van or trailer.

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    I tried them. Ironbull I think they were called. They wanted over $700 for a 108 pound towbar plus wiring which is the expensive bit after all. I got the towbar, dedicated wiring and postage for less than that. Took 5 days from placing the order to delivery. All I hope for now is I got the right one. Oh well, I am pretty certain that I got the model worked out correctly before I ordered. Now to have it fitted.

    I agree with you statement about ADRs and urban mythology surrounding them. Still, I am modifying the 'Van to get the weight down at the tow ball. Not a big issue. All about balance really.

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    For what's it worth, passenger motor vehicles coming into/made in the country must comply with the Australian Design Rules at the time of registration (I think one the latest ADR's is the electronic stability programme).

    Hence, there are 2 issues here:
    1. the vehicles has to be designed to accomodate tow bars and I'd reckon that has been done and,
    2. the "tow bar" has to be designed to withstand the associated loads, that is, it needs to be structurally sound and that obligation is generrally covered by reference to an Australian Standard (AS) of which, generrally AS's are/maybe crossed referenced to overseas standards.
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    Yep, I have no argument with that John. I am making my caravan fit to the EU standards as it is not possible to do vice versa. Citroen states that the Towball weight not exceed 75 kgs while ADR states 110 kgs allowed from memory. I do not believe that the government was trying to disallow the towing of Australian Caravans by European cars. In fact, the Harmonisation Clause above points to the opposite, ie, that ADRs should not be read to conflict with EU regs. In this case they do, so I am sticking to the manufacturer's recommended weights (EC standards) and making the caravan fit those for safety's sake. It really only means shifting a few things ahead of the axle to the rear of the axle.

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    I have just purchased a bar and loom from BM Spares in Melb for a 2008 C5 exclusive sedan $400 for the lot. All bolted in nicely. The loom was attached and has the electronics box (SST-3000) which is actually manufactured here in Melb by Lumen. However the 4 wires that exit the loom that fit into a small connector have been cut and I require a wiring diagram to finish the job. I have contacted Lumen, but they won't supply one. You apparently need to be a dealer, so would like to know where the wires from the small connector go. And yes the bottom of the bumper skirt has to be cut away to clear the socket end of the bar.

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