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    Default TC-W3 2 stroke out board oil in diesel engines as an additive

    I have been running TC-W3 2 stroke oil in all my vehicles 4 stroke and diesel for over 3 years now
    In my Jeep I have done 60,000 k,s on it already My CRD has a flash tune which switches of the electronically controlled EGR valve and a 3 inch cat back KN panel filter
    The vehicle is used mainly on road and towing I just buy a 20 litre drum of TC-W3 2 stroke oil from my hitec oils distributor ends up costing me $6 a litre and the drum lasts about a year
    I use it a ratio of 300 to one 3.2 ml per litre about 370 ml per tank I have a couple bottles with tape around them to tell me where to fill the bottles up to
    Having just done a trip to Victoria and back last week I got an average 800 k,s to a tank that's doing 117 in the 110 zones and 107 in the 100 zones in Victoria I drop it back to 113 and 103 using the gps for accuracy The vehicle gets the best economy at 117 on the cruise control
    When refuelling take,s a bit of time as this new diesel is like a milkshake so foamy
    When I got the flash tune first thing I noticed the engine was noisier the oil in the fuel quietened it straight away none of my mates believe its a diesel even my guy who does the Jeep is impressed and passing the word around
    Ill be using TC-W3 in it forever the the thing has just clicked over 255,000 k,s and feels like its just run in
    I also use TC-W3 at a ratio of 500 to one I.E 1.9 ml per litre in my supercharged Jaguar XJR thing has never gone better even my jaguar specialist says my one goes the best of all the XJR,s he services and he is the XJR guru on these vehicles in Queensland

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    Before I bought the Jeep I had a 01 C5 HDI I removed the mechanical EGR valve and fitted a piper cross air filter panel the C5 would get 1000 to 1100 k,s to a tank on the highway to Sydney from the Gold Coast
    By adding 3.2 ML per litre of TC-W3 to the tank in the diesel fuel I could drive from the gold coast to yass before filling up not to mention the engine also quietened down substantially as well

    I am also a member on a oil forum in the states they have been using it for ages over there if any of the diesel owners can remember the diesel used to be oiler than now
    That is because the new fuel has no sulphur and they are adding biodiesel to the mixture they do this in Europe and America and now here in Australia remember a few years ago all the problems with diesel engines blowing up it was because of the low sulphur fuel and the ethanol in the new diesel rotting rubber seals
    By adding the TC-W3 its not a one of exercise its a constant thing for the 370 ml that I use in my Jeep I get an extra 100 k,s of range not to mention the thing blows no smoke even on hard acceleration that could also be due to the EGR being removed either way do some searching on the net
    I wont stop using it and all the guys that have tried it are now converted it does not have to be synthetic or the most expensive
    I buy it in bulk to get the price down to 6 dollars a litre the cheapest is fine but make sure its TC-W3 rated its the additive pack in the TC-W3 that you want

    I understand the vehicle I am using it in is not a Citroen and that there will be sceptics that's why I urge you have a look do some research its all out there
    I am a believer and will continue to spread the idea of this I was so impressed with this simple little idea

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    kilometres per tank is meaningless. How big is the tank? How empty was the tank when you filled up. Please quote consumption in L/100km
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    Hi C5boy

    You're like me - why use a short post when a long one will do .

    There have been a few previous threads on this topic - here are a couple of them:

    http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/arc...p/t-93444.html
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    2 stroke oil in diesel?

    However you've added a couple of things I don't recall reading before:
    a) The TC-W3 rating
    b) Using 2-stroke oil in petrol engines

    Re. the TC-W3 - I note that it is formulated for marine engines, which are water cooled and run at lower temperatures than air-cooled 2-strokes. In fact it was suggested in one of the above threads that marine 2-stroke oil would be the better choice, because it would burn properly - unburnt oil could clog a particle filter.

    My 12-year old Landcruiser has no particle filter, so presumably the Mobil (non-marine) 2-stroke oil I have been using won't have caused any harm. However I will certainly obtain some TC-W3 rated oil and try it - who knows, I might even get a tiny improvement in fuel consumption ! Do you know of other brands (apart from Hy-tec) that make oil of this specification (Mobil doesn't list anything on their website).

    Also, can you point us to any links demonstrating the advantage of 2-stroke oil in 4-stroke petrol engines?

    BTW - very surprising that your fuel economy is best at 117 km/h. Your Jeep must have a very streamlined shape - most cars do best at 80-90km/h.

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    Hi I am so impressed how my diesel goes using this idea I wanted to share
    As for the distance I drive the car till its empty then fill the tank to the brim it's 70 litres with that 70 litres of fuel I get 600 k,s around town and 800 or more on the open road driving a 2800 kg SUV that is as aerodynamic as a brick
    I estimate at least a litre per hundred going by the litres per hundred on the dashboard readout the vehicle originally before any mods did 14 litres per hundred
    I had a 3 inch cat back exhaust,KN filter panel and a provent 200 from Mann Hummel fitted I then had a green diesel tune from the US flashed into the ECU that switched the EGR and modified shift and torque points at this point I saw 10L per hundred coming on the dash and I could go further before fill up the
    The guy that I bought the flash tune from said some guys see high 9L per hundred I thought oh yeah I,ll never see under the 10L per Hundred on my display
    I then started reading about the adding 2 stroke oil to diesel which led me to an oil forum in the states that I became a member of as I intend to keep my vehicles a long time wanted to know the real story behind oil and not just the brands and marketing
    I learned that the new oil to use was the TC-W3 rated outboard oils I could write a hundred pages on this oil and how and why it was developed needless to say it works there is a million reasons to doubt it and be sceptical I read about it for 2 years before trying it and watched all answers and questions asked and answered in the end I was impressed
    I use it in my supercharged jaguar my mate asked me what I had done to the car it was so quiet and smooth he reckoned I he could stand a fifty cent piece on the engine it was so smooth the car always had a rough idle doesn't now
    I use it in the Jeep it has a Mercedes OM642 V6 diesel engine that engine was the most advanced diesel engine in the world from 06 to 10 only being beaten by a BMW engine at the moment it made the engine so quiet mates don't believe its a diesel when I am next to Japanese diesels at the lights I wind the window up or turn the stereo up
    I even use it in my 2005 Kawasaki VN2000 motorbike my wife's 800 Suzuki volusia and my round town sym HD200 scooter
    again just waned to pas something along that had really impressed me
    I am looking for a C5 wagon at the moment for a run around for my business and will be adding the TC-W3 to it but I will also be removing the EGR and doing the same mods I have done the the Mercedes engine in the Jeep these modern diesel engines are addictive

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    I'm always keen to try these sorts of things, there's certainly no way that it could do any damage.

    But I would still like to see the science behind it.

    Going for a 2500km drive in the wagon in a couple of weeks, so I might give it a shot.
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    The best additive for modern PSA diesels is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    kilometres per tank is meaningless. How big is the tank? How empty was the tank when you filled up. Please quote consumption in L/100km
    Or for us old timers in MPG!!!!!
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    Here is a link to a guy in the states using TC-W3 in his ZO6 corvette its a long read http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-91206/
    I read this post decided to try it in my Jaguar after reading the TC-W3 is ash-less so burns completely clean its not advisable to use it in air cooled 2 stroke equipment for that best using 2 stroke oil that is recommended for air cooled engines
    We are using the TC-W3 like an additive in the use we are doing with the use of TC-W3 best not to use more than 1.9 L per liter
    if you cant get it spot on instead of adding more add less so if the mix works out at 123.6 ML make it 120 ml less is more in 4 stroke engines with diesels its the same adding more is wasting money and we are doing it to save money
    Also the oil is available at any supercheap last time I bought if from supercheap I bought a valvoline product it was the cheapest only reason I use the Hi tec stuff is my mate is the distributor so I buy all my oils in bulk from him keeps the cost down like I said its all about cutting costs

    I will add a study done in the US its a few years old but they are doing a new one at the moment as soon as it comes out I'll post it


    Quote Originally Posted by Armidillo View Post
    Hi C5boy

    You're like me - why use a short post when a long one will do .

    There have been a few previous threads on this topic - here are a couple of them:

    http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/arc...p/t-93444.html
    and
    2 stroke oil in diesel?

    However you've added a couple of things I don't recall reading before:
    a) The TC-W3 rating
    b) Using 2-stroke oil in petrol engines

    Re. the TC-W3 - I note that it is formulated for marine engines, which are water cooled and run at lower temperatures than air-cooled 2-strokes. In fact it was suggested in one of the above threads that marine 2-stroke oil would be the better choice, because it would burn properly - unburnt oil could clog a particle filter.

    My 12-year old Landcruiser has no particle filter, so presumably the Mobil (non-marine) 2-stroke oil I have been using won't have caused any harm. However I will certainly obtain some TC-W3 rated oil and try it - who knows, I might even get a tiny improvement in fuel consumption ! Do you know of other brands (apart from Hy-tec) that make oil of this specification (Mobil doesn't list anything on their website).

    Also, can you point us to any links demonstrating the advantage of 2-stroke oil in 4-stroke petrol engines?

    BTW - very surprising that your fuel economy is best at 117 km/h. Your Jeep must have a very streamlined shape - most cars do best at 80-90km/h.

    Cheers

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    'I learned that the new oil to use was the TC-W3 rated outboard oils I could write a hundred pages on this oil and how and why it was developed needless to say it works there is a million reasons to doubt it and be sceptical I read about it for 2 years before trying it and watched all answers and questions asked and answered in the end I was impressed'

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    Here are a couple of links to the original threads regarding the use of TC-W3

    That original thread was continued in a new thread here:

    http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...178848&page=44


    Then they created a new thread for a new study here:

    http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=469425


    be prepared for some long reads they are pretty long

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    Get real! 80% of the cars on the roads in France use diesel engines and I doubt that anyone ever uses any additives. The diesel manufacturers and especially PSA have put in billions of investment to manage the pollution down to defined and acceptable levels. What would happen to their warranties and engine performance if the diesel fuel was modified with additives whose combustion products are not tested to comply with the demands of the filtration system or to the pollution standards. As nearly the whole national fleet is demonstrating, modern diesels don't blow up and in general the engines outlast the cars. This is why the government has been trying to find away of retiring the older diesel cars built to older pollution standards. They won't die by themselves.
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    Its true diesels are very popular in Europe and is understandable due to the high cost of fuel.
    It is also a known fact that the diesel engine lasts longer as well.
    With European emission laws fuel company's are making diesel fuel with less lubricity I.E. injectors and pumps are wearing out sooner which is good for the automobile industry then you are buying new cars more regularly as the cost of repairing the injectors and pumps is very costly
    the OM642 engine I am using the fuel with TC-W3 with was the most advanced diesel in the world only knocked of its perch last year by a triple turbo BMW diesel
    So believing in the big car and oil company's working with government and that they have the best in mind for the people is naive at best its always a compromise

    As I stated its up to the individual to say I,ll take a gamble on that
    I did and will never stop using it I have also disabled one of the government mandated emission devices fitted to my OM642 engine the EGR valve the newer diesels don't have a problem with these as they use the adblue urea injection system in Citroen's its called Eolys fluid fuel born catalyst for particulate filters again more emissions control insted of making the engines more efficient

    I also have a coalescing filter on my crankcase breather I.E. Mann hummel provent 200 it stops the oil vapour going back into my engine catching the black sludge that previously was going into the inlet tract and slowly blocking it is now caught in a plastic bottle that I empty every 20,000 k service time in doing this my diesel blows no smoke even under hard acceleration the ashless formula of the TC-W3 makes the particulate filter work so much better I cant remember when it regenerated for the last time

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    Quote Originally Posted by C5boy View Post
    Its true diesels are very popular in Europe and is understandable due to the high cost of fuel.
    It is also a known fact that the diesel engine lasts longer as well.
    With European emission laws fuel company's are making diesel fuel with less lubricity I.E. injectors and pumps are wearing out sooner which is good for the automobile industry then you are buying new cars more regularly as the cost of repairing the injectors and pumps is very costly
    the OM642 engine I am using the fuel with TC-W3 with was the most advanced diesel in the world only knocked of its perch last year by a triple turbo BMW diesel
    So believing in the big car and oil company's working with government and that they have the best in mind for the people is naive at best its always a compromise

    As I stated its up to the individual to say I,ll take a gamble on that
    I did and will never stop using it I have also disabled one of the government mandated emission devices fitted to my OM642 engine the EGR valve the newer diesels don't have a problem with these as they use the adblue urea injection system in Citroen's its called Eolys fluid fuel born catalyst for particulate filters again more emissions control insted of making the engines more efficient

    I also have a coalescing filter on my crankcase breather I.E. Mann hummel provent 200 it stops the oil vapour going back into my engine catching the black sludge that previously was going into the inlet tract and slowly blocking it is now caught in a plastic bottle that I empty every 20,000 k service time in doing this my diesel blows no smoke even under hard acceleration the ashless formula of the TC-W3 makes the particulate filter work so much better I cant remember when it regenerated for the last time
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    What to say about this.
    We all know that the new generation of cars are crap, and they go so badly and if they built the good old cars from the 50s we would be better off

    I do not think so. Who wants to go back to the thirsty smoke belching tractors of the old days. A bit of nostalgic driving is good but not for everyday use by everyone. So why take a well designed new engine and put stuff into the tank which is clearly not designed to burn well and expect it to be improved. And as well to make sure the exhaust is improved for everybody else you disable the pollution control system.

    What is the reason for it in a short simple understandable statement. One sentence long preferably. I cannot make sense of the explanations given so far. The worlds collective automotive engineers seem to believe they know a bit about these things but you and a few others believe they have missed something ??? What is it ? Please
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaahn View Post

    What is the reason for it in a short simple understandable statement. Jaahn
    The reason is that many people do many things to their cars to improve the performance, and cannot accept that for the most part they are wasting money and/or time. As anyone who saw this will appreciate...

    http://www.mototube.pl/film/1362/top...antime-tuning/

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    The worlds automotive engineers are bound by various government restrictions and budget constraints, as a result we have the modern automotive diesel with a hotpotch exhaust recirculation system which would eventually choke the engine to a halt if not for the continuous injection of a chemical derived from bird shit. It's a stop gap to raise the exhaust gas temperature sufficiently enough to burn off the sludge so as to meet emission regulations until the designers come up with a better solution. [No pun intended]. I reckon in the not too distant future all the birds will become extinct so no more shit, then we'll have to think about designing an uncompromised automotive engine. Probably plastic, Oh no that's already been done. Meanwhile I'll keep using TC-W3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofaus View Post
    The reason is that many people do many things to their cars to improve the performance, and cannot accept that for the most part they are wasting money and/or time. As anyone who saw this will appreciate...

    http://www.mototube.pl/film/1362/top...antime-tuning/
    I think it is a long strech to quote Top Gear as scientific research

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    We have a very simple situation in which the car makers design and supply cars to use the fuels in common supply and to meet the customers' expectations of reliability and performance. The fuel suppliers know what the cars need and for their own survival make sure that it delivered at the pumps. None of the players indicate to the public that additives are needed to keep their vehicles running.

    In France, which shifted its market to diesel and is now rethinking,for reasons of security of supply (see the thread on Froggie Chat), there are millions of diesel cars on the road every day. The industry of engine reconditioning has all but disappeared because engines outlive the cosmetics of the cars.

    On Monday there is a new additive being launched for reducing the friction and hence the overheating in automatic gear boxes. It is based on an extract of banana skins and will sell at 49.95 a bottle which last 10,000 kms. Especially recommended for the AL4 box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    On Monday there is a new additive being launched for reducing the friction and hence the overheating in automatic gear boxes. It is based on an extract of banana skins and will sell at 49.95 a bottle which last 10,000 kms. Especially recommended for the AL4 box.
    lol, getting in a couple of days early Gerry, good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanadoo View Post
    The worlds automotive engineers are bound by various government restrictions and budget constraints, as a result we have the modern automotive diesel with a hotpotch exhaust recirculation system which would eventually choke the engine to a halt if not for the continuous injection of a chemical derived from bird shit. It's a stop gap to raise the exhaust gas temperature sufficiently enough to burn off the sludge so as to meet emission regulations until the designers come up with a better solution. [No pun intended]. I reckon in the not too distant future all the birds will become extinct so no more shit, then we'll have to think about designing an uncompromised automotive engine. Probably plastic, Oh no that's already been done. Meanwhile I'll keep using TC-W3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon View Post
    That's not how DEF works...


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    Evidently the pricing for this banana cure all will fluctuate greatly, with bananas here going as high as $9.80 a kg, down to $3.50 a kg. Wonder what the dealers price will be?. Maybe we can get a bulk purchase from Total Oil, France, because judging by a majority of posts here, they'll be the only oil manufacturer making a banana product good enough to keep our Cits going. Now the AL4 works best using Charlie Carp liquid fertilizer and it lasts just as long as the Mongolian Yak Urine the dealers palm off on us. So we can all look forward to the release of another great product.

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    Selective Catalytic Reaction after treatment systems are exactly that - after treatment. It's use, or lack thereof, has no effect on the actual engine.

    Most diesels that do use urea DEF do not use EGR systems, as EGR systems are designed to reduce NOx and are usually superfluous with an SCR system.

    It's why SCR equipped diesels are often the subject of power and efficiency gains, as the removal of EGR systems and increased compression ratios can be had - make as many NOx as they like and deal with it in aftertreatment.


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    Why on earth would I want to chance stuffing up a perfectly good motor? I am no engineer but cannot understand how lowering the cetane rating by adding lawn mower oil to my state of the art diesel can increase its performance.

    I tend to side with the sarcastic comments about 1950s cars on this one. Yes, kit was a complete waste of money buying the C5 and would have been much better going for a Valiant AP5 slant six hemi push-button auto. After all, they were state of the art.

    Yes, sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but at least it is a form of wit.

    Oh, and if you would like to reduce friction, I believe Molydenum Disulphide marketed as Molybond does the trick in a very scientific manner and is/was once the ONLY additive approved for use in Rolls Royce motors.

    That being said, any one got a bottle of Wynns Stop Leak for my C6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanadoo View Post
    Evidently the pricing for this banana cure all will fluctuate greatly, with bananas here going as high as $9.80 a kg, down to $3.50 a kg. Wonder what the dealers price will be?. Maybe we can get a bulk purchase from Total Oil, France, because judging by a majority of posts here, they'll be the only oil manufacturer making a banana product good enough to keep our Cits going. Now the AL4 works best using Charlie Carp liquid fertilizer and it lasts just as long as the Mongolian Yak Urine the dealers palm off on us. So we can all look forward to the release of another great product.
    Don't worry about it. I have been trading in the futures market and will have control over the world reserves of skins when the market for additives opens up. Then I will introduce a gold label version at twice the price.
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    Hello Jerry. When you go to a public share issue, count me in. There is also a very, very rare and super slippery plant/animal hybrid in our Tarkine wilderness waiting to be exploited.
    Contact the Green government or information.

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