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    Default New C5 Diesel Owner

    Just about to take delivery of a C5 saloon. It's a diesel which I have never owned before. What is the difference between all the fuels and where do I get a reliable source of clean diesel to run the beast on? It is a 2.2 twin turbo model. Thanks

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    Only buy known reputable brands. Because it is convenient for some time now I have mostly filled with BP diesel (it's on my way home on my side of the highway) and I have never had problems that others report when they use "cheap" fuel.

    Other brands I use from time to time with no problems are Shell and Caltex.

    Please make sure that everyone who drives your vehicle and is likely to fuel it knows that it is diesel and they should never put petrol in it. Can be easy to do these days with sometimes four fuel types on one bowser. If they DO petrol it, then it should not be driven AT ALL lest you wish to void your warranty and perhaps cause severe damage to the engine and fuel components.

    I usually have cheap plastic disposable gloves inside the car and fit one to my right hand before fueling the car - that way I do not get diesel on my hand and therefore onto the interior of the car. If no gloves then I grab a length of paper towel from the servo dispenser and pick the nozzle up with that. Dispose of glove or paper after you put the fuel cap back on and walk in to pay.

    Make sure you read the user manual several times. Many people fail to read the manual then spend countless time on Aussiefrogs trying to find out how to do things with their car. The technical features built into the car are very useful and you should make sure you use them. The cruise control installed in PSA cars is the best I have used.

    Enjoy your new car!
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    Thanks alot. That was a very helpful reply. I have owned several french cars before (R12, R16 and Xantia) and I reckon they're the best. ALways feel cheated when offered a drive in some friends BMW etc. No finesse, but then, that's a french words ain't it?:

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    Hi Pdjones, Daughter has a Ford Focus hdi, last week filled up with Diesel, got as far as the freeway car came to a dead stop, luck had it in one respect she had a Receipt, it took 2 days to fix drain the fuel tank, engine oil replaced all necessary filters, fuel brand one with a star, I agree with ufo BP/Shell, and keep your receipts aprox $1500.00 in repairs includes fuel,oil,filters and fuel pipes clean out fuel pump clean out+ tow truck, the mechanic also advised that the injectors may need repair.

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    Hi there pdjones.

    Oils ain't oils and diesel ain't diesel. Never be tempted by signs advertising cheap diesel. You'll need to be choosy with engine oil as well. Low SAPS ACEA C2 rating and preferably PSA B71-2290 compliant. Examples are Total INEO ECS and Castrol Magnatec Professional C2.

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    Congrats on a great car. Look forward to a photo or 100
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    Oh she will be treated with the tender loving care she deserves. Book into Paris Motors for a service and auto fluid change. Unfortunately Citro Motors is now defunct. Pity. Yes, I think I'm getting it. BP seem like the best. Mind you, are all the stations consistent and is Ultimate worth getting? A bit of a drive to get that from where I am.

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    pdjones,
    "is Ultimate worth getting?"
    Whoa! Ultimate is petrol. You did state that your car is a 2.2 tt. There are NO 2.2 tt petrol engines in Citroens currently.
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    Shell does have an Ultimate branded diesel. Most likely found near high value suburbs I reckon.
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    Well there ya go! I learn something new everyday.

    Thanks for that Craig.
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    Meant to add that maybe I should check out the closest Shell servo too see if I'm living in a high value suburb!
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    I always use BP Ultimate diesel whenever I can - it is generally no more expensive than the regular diesel here in Adelaide, but I have always struggled to find any interstate in Vic. Maybe its only available in SA?
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    Yes, it is diesel. No plans on putting petrol in the tank. From what I can gather almost impossible to get in Vic. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beamer View Post
    I always use BP Ultimate diesel whenever I can - it is generally no more expensive than the regular diesel here in Adelaide, but I have always struggled to find any interstate in Vic. Maybe its only available in SA?
    Yes I've been waiting for it to arrive in Canberra. No sign yet. It started in WA about 5 years ago but has been incredibly slow to spreading Eastward. I understood it was about 2c/litre more expensive though.

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    Being your first diesel, don't fill it up when you are tired or you will more than likely make a common error and go to the petrol bowser. Get into the habit of double checking the bowser and the car before starting the fill. If you do make an error and put a few litres of petrol in the tank, stop and fill the tank completely with diesel. You should be OK with up to several litres of petrol in a full tank of diesel, but obviously it requires common sense. If you put rather more petrol in, don't start the car. You'd have to have the tank drained.

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    Good advice there, David S.

    Problems can also arise if there are drivers other than the owner who might take it on themselves to refuel.
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    Thanks for the advise guys. Yes, we have already decided on ONE station and to keep receipts, and ONE refueller. I think the idea of keeping one's wits about you is good advise. Mistakes happen when we are tired.

    By the way, after some research over the past few days, BP seems to be the only company that guarantees the cleanliness of its product making it a no brainer for me really.

    I have attached it for those interested.

    The BP fuel guarantee
    1. Guarantee
    BP guarantees that its fuels are clean, and assuming all the criteria
    below are met, will not cause fuel system problems.
    This fuel guarantee does not limit any rights you may have under
    consumer protection legislation.
    BPís fuel guarantee applies to those customers who purchase
    BP Guaranteed Products from BP service stations and the BP
    Guaranteed Products comply with the terms of the BP fuel
    guarantee stated below.
    2. BP Products covered
    BPís fuel guarantee only applies to BP branded motor spirit grades,
    diesel and LPG (BP Guaranteed Products) that are purchased from
    BP branded service stations that are painted with BPís colours
    and prominently display BPís marks (Helios) within Australia (BP
    Service Stations).
    Restrictions:
    BPís fuel guarantee does not apply:
    ē if the BP Service Station is selling non-BP products, as per the WA
    Petroleum Retailers Rights and Liabilities Act 1982 (50/50 laws), or
    in any other circumstances;
    ē to problems caused by climate conditions outside the scope
    of the fuelís specification. e.g. using summer diesel in winter
    months or during very cold weather occurring in other seasons;
    ē to BPís lubricants, (these have a separate guarantee) or
    ē when the BP Guaranteed Product is poured into any intermediary
    container (e.g. a jerry can) before being poured into the fuel tank
    of your vehicle or equipment.
    3. Conditions to be met before claims are accepted
    (i) Suitable for purpose
    Unless specified otherwise on BPís website (www.bp.com.au),
    the BP Guaranteed Product used must have the fuel
    specification properties recommended by your vehicle or
    equipment manufacturer for use in your vehicle or equipment
    and the BP Guaranteed Product must not be in your vehicle
    or equipmentís fuel tank for more than 30 days from the date
    of purchase.
    (ii) Additives
    The BP Guaranteed Product must not contain any additives,
    except for those additives approved by BP, that are referenced
    in BP publications and which are used in accordance with the
    instructions of your vehicle or equipment manufacturer and
    the additive manufacturer

    (iii) Vehicle / equipment maintenance
    Your vehicle must be well maintained with a reasonable
    service history. BP fuel guarantee does not cover parts that
    are subject to wear and tear or age and would be regarded
    as items requiring attention during normal maintenance.
    A vehicle or equipmentís seals, filters and hoses are not
    covered by the BP fuel guarantee. The BP fuel guarantee
    does not cover components that are not part of your vehicleís
    / equipmentís fuels system.
    (iv) Timing
    A claim must be made within 30 days of purchase of the
    BP Guaranteed Product.
    (v) Proof of purchase
    You must be able to prove that the BP Guaranteed Product was
    purchased from a BP Service Station by producing a receipt.
    (vi) How to contact BP
    If you believe you have a problem with the BP Guaranteed
    Product you have purchased, please contact 1300 1300 27
    to register details of the claim.
    You will be required to provide proof of purchase and will be
    expected to organise a mechanic to arrange repairs and provide a
    quote for the cost of repair or an invoice on completion of the repair.
    4. What BP will pay:
    If the results of BPís investigations show that the BP Guaranteed
    Product you have purchased has caused a problem with a
    component of your vehicleís or equipmentís fuel system, BP will:
    (i) replace the BP Guaranteed Product free of charge; and
    (ii) pay for the parts of your vehicleís / equipmentís fuel system
    that are affected by the BP Guaranteed Product, requiring
    replacement.
    5. Other Contracts
    If you have a written agreement with BP or your distributor, which
    includes terms that deal with fuel quality, that agreement will take
    precedence over this guarantee and this guarantee will not apply.
    6. Australian Consumer Law
    Our goods come with guarantees that cannot be excluded under
    the Australian Consumer Law. You are entitled to a replacement or
    refund for a major failure and compensation for any other reasonably
    foreseeable loss or damage. You are also entitled to have the goods
    repaired or replaced if the goods fail to be of acceptable quality and
    the failure does not amount to a major failure.


    http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...c11_DL_WEB.pdf
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    [QUOTE=TRT;114721It started in WA about 5 years ago but has been incredibly slow to spreading Eastward

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    Incorrect. We've had Diesel Ultimate in Queensland for more than 5 years.
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    Yep, Ultimate is about 600ks away according to my BP app

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    Just use normal quality branded diesel. The ultimate branded won't make discernible difference to the performance of the car. You've already got a bucketload of torque, and everyone know it's torques (thanks Clarkson) that make the difference not the kW. Besides, paying extra will not increase power at the rear wheels.
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    Pick her up yesterday and she goes like the clappers. Not bad for a 4 cylinder. A very pleasant days driving around in our new car.New C5 Diesel Owner-pic2.jpgNew C5 Diesel Owner-pic-car.jpg

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    Could be a while before we see BP Ultimate diesel widely available in the 'older' states.

    These states already have many existing service stations that would need a new dedicated bowser AND tank if they are to offer two types of diesel. The bowser is one thing but the tank with its associated piping to that bowser means huge expenditure unless the station already has redundant capacity (most unlikely).

    I have the suspicion that, at some point, the 'new improved' fuel will just be imposed on us whether we like it or not. All the 'usual suspects' of reasons will be trotted out, of course.

    For the moment, I'm not losing sleep about it.
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    Also, as I understand it, each fill releases the Eolys for the FAP filter, so it it better to use up most of the tank each time and not keep topping up the tank and wasting more Eolys with each top up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristesse View Post
    Also, as I understand it, each fill releases the Eolys for the FAP filter, so it it better to use up most of the tank each time and not keep topping up the tank and wasting more Eolys with each top up.

    Yes but no.

    Yes it is injected into the tank each fill BUT there is no wastage. Each fill, wether its a full fill or just a top up, the fuel level is measured and a quantity of ELLOYS 176
    madditive is injected (more like pumped than injected) into the fuel tank. There are two systems employed. One uses a magnet in the fuel cap, the other doesn't. With the first type when you stop to fill up, you remove the fuel cap. Built into the fuel cap is a small magnet that is lined up with a sensor fitted into the filler neck, and removing the cap triggers the sensor with then informs the additive ecu that the car is about to receive fuel. Once you have finished filling with fuel and started driving car again the additive ecu receives information from engine BSI of before fill and after fill fuel level information to determine actual amount of fuel put into tank from refill. The additive ecu then calculates from a set "graph" the amount of additive to be injected. For a full refill its less than a teaspoon....

    The second type does away with the sensor (there were issues where the sensor failed, happened a lot where I used to work in the country with lots of dust...) and relies on fuel gauge info from the BSI. Rest of the procedure is the same.

    So if you fill with little bit of fuel it injects a tiny bit, if you fill with more it in turn injects more. So really it doesn't matter how much you fill with, as there is no wastage
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    Thanks for that. I stand corrected. Still I won't tell my wife with the 407. I hate her little top ups with fuel to get it to half full only.

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