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    I'll probably grab a bottle of gas this week ..... If anyone in the ballarat area wants some spheres regassed let me know.... Obviously, no warranty, no guarantee .... just a squirt of nitrogen, no rebuilds, no paint ... they'll likely leave looking even shittier than they arrived I can test LHM spheres. No I wont' remove/refit (unless by prior arrangement).

    send me a PM .... I'll ask $10 a sphere to cover costs of the bottle rental/gas (i'd rather others have gas in there spheres than me return a bottle to BOC that's still 95% full).

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    Will you do LHS one as well? What is the cost of BOC gas? Are you using technosor bulbs?

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    Remember to do CX fronts first. If the bottle gets too low it can get difficult to get CX fronts up to their required 75 bar.

    Why return the bottle with some gas in it? Surely filling some tyres with Nitrogen to add street cred would be a worthy use?
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    The reason to take the bottle back $15+++ a month to have it sitting in the shed not being used ( that would be way over $300 a year in bottle rental charges .... even if I don't use the welder or regas a spheres ). I'm using the standard filler plugs, no valves.

    I can regas brake fluid spheres, but not test there pressure first

    Hey, UFO .... You can try filing tyres from it if you like. Your going to have 160bar at the tyre valve to try and use

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    FREE .... FREE sphere regassing in ballarat area .... I'm about to return an almost full gas bottle again ...... Who wants some sphere regassed Rex has already paid for this gas .... People might as well take advantage of it (rather than BOC just throwing it away).

    Once again, obviously, no warranty, no guarantee .... just a squirt of nitrogen, no rebuilds, no paint ... they'll likely leave looking even shittier than they arrived I can test LHM spheres . No I wont' remove/refit (unless by prior arrangement).

    I'll probably have the bottle here for another 2 or 3 weeks.

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    Hey Shane,

    Could you handle some XM spheres on Friday afternoon or evening?

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    yeah friday should be ok.

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    Hi Shane,

    my brother (J'Aime la vie) and I would be interested for a GS and my IDs. GS is LHM of course and IDs are LHS. Between us we have a bundle of spare spheres from various sources plus the ones on the cars. Would be a fact-finding exercise as much as anything. Would Sat 14th or Sun15 be OK (or following weekend)? We can get in touch by PM if so.

    i have been thinking about investing in a technosir setup in the past few weeks (based on the currently active thread) as a long term option but this sounds like a great opportunity to check our stocks of spheres and charge up the running ones. I had one set of LHS reconditioned and charged by Richo (the ones on my 1962 car) but the other LHS ones and the GS ones have not seen a gas bottle for an unknown number of years.

    Anyway it would be great to meet you and see your stable of cars.

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    Hello Leconte,

    Shane can charge spheres that use any fluid, but he can pressure test only LHM spheres. I have an LHS sphere tester (made by Richo) I could leave at his place tomorrow night so you could use it over the weekend. I imagine I will be back at his place at some time over the next few weeks to pick it up. I doubt I will need it for a while.

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    Hi Roger,

    Another extremely generous offer to add to Shane's, thank you that would be great although John and I wouldn't know what to do with it! I guess Shane does of course. Note that we can't go this coming weekend, for us (subject to Shane of course) it would have to be next week or the week after. I'm not sure what the Sphere test is actually for, I gather it pushes hydraulic fluid in the "cylinder" end under "road condition" pressures but is this before or after filling with nitrogen? I.e is it to see if a sphere is worth recharging before doing so (and test current gas pressure) or is it to test the post recharge performance. I suspect the latter but it's not entirely clear to me

    We can bring our own LHS and LHM fluid, "LHS" of course being Castrol React brake fluid plus castor oil 5%.

    I still cannot see how on earth that small plug is removed for the gas refill given it may be under pressure, and the "cutout" on it seems to be designed for doing the plug up not taking it off (or is it a reverse thread?). I am looking forward to learning all about it!

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    It is to measure the existing nitrogen pressure within the sphere to determine if the sphere can be successfully recharged. If it is too low or flat completely it is only scrap for the single piece spheres.
    The two piece spheres can have new diaphragms fitted. This of course entails the possession of a set of specialised equipment.
    Citro Motors used to employ a very large four jawed lathe chuck and a long leverage chain wrench to dismantle the two halves!
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    It is a hydraulic jack with an adapter on top to screw in a sphere and a pressure gauge in the side. Bring a couple of spare sphere seals. You pump it up and eventually the pressure stops rising and steadies and that's the sphere pressure. It measures charge pressure in the sphere and can be used at any time. A pressure gauge on the regassing unit tells the pressure during charging.

    You unscrew the filler by clamping it in a vice.

    The best sphere dismantling tools are made in a lathe to grip the sphere equators precisely.

    The safari is going fine. I took it on a raod trip to Buttercup Bob's a couple of weeks ago to use as a wedding car.

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    Hi Shane. I have some spheres I'd like to regas but can't come around for at least 10 days. I hope you can keep the nitrogen till then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leconte View Post
    Hi Shane,

    my brother (J'Aime la vie) and I would be interested for a GS and my IDs. GS is LHM of course and IDs are LHS. Between us we have a bundle of spare spheres from various sources plus the ones on the cars. Would be a fact-finding exercise as much as anything. Would Sat 14th or Sun15 be OK (or following weekend)? We can get in touch by PM if so.

    i have been thinking about investing in a technosir setup in the past few weeks (based on the currently active thread) as a long term option but this sounds like a great opportunity to check our stocks of spheres and charge up the running ones. I had one set of LHS reconditioned and charged by Richo (the ones on my 1962 car) but the other LHS ones and the GS ones have not seen a gas bottle for an unknown number of years.

    Anyway it would be great to meet you and see your stable of cars.

    Regards Leconte
    If you have quite a few spare spheres. It would be probably better to leave them with me. I'll see which ones will hold gas. The old LHS2 spheres may suprise you. So long as they have never been contaminated with a mineral oil, there diaphrams seem to last forever (if not rusty inside).

    Bring plenty of rears, my experiance with them is they are usually dead. So you'll need many if you plan to find a pair of spheres to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDear View Post
    Hi Shane. I have some spheres I'd like to regas but can't come around for at least 10 days. I hope you can keep the nitrogen till then
    Michael Paas
    No worries, I won't be around for the next 10days either

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    Thank you, Shane. My XM now rides much better. It's 2-1/2 years since the last regas, definitely worth topping up the spheres.

    It's a good feeling when you can unscrew spheres by hand because no "Citreon specialist" has been allowed near the car since the last time we regassed the spheres!

    Leconte, I have left my LHS sphere tester with Shane for a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    No worries, I won't be around for the next 10days either

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    Hi Shane, will you be back by 14/15th or would a visit have to be the following weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Wilkinson View Post
    Thank you, Shane. My XM now rides much better. It's 2-1/2 years since the last regas, definitely worth topping up the spheres.

    It's a good feeling when you can unscrew spheres by hand because no "Citreon specialist" has been allowed near the car since the last time we regassed the spheres!

    Leconte, I have left my LHS sphere tester with Shane for a couple of weeks.

    Roger
    Thanks very much Roger!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leconte View Post
    Hi Shane, will you be back by 14/15th or would a visit have to be the following weekend?

    Thanks Mark
    The following weekend would probably be better. I'm pretty sure we have a lot on that weekend ... Monday, Tuesday, Thursday an usually friday evenings are out too. It's fun to be busy right ?

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    Hi Shane,

    I have sent you an email about to see about this coming weekend.

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    Hi Shane,

    Thank you very much for spending quite a bit of today working on our spheres and for the Nitrogen gas. A mixed result, with GS ones proving a little disappointing with two out of seven failed (throwaway) and one pending. A better result for a very mixed bag of ancient and dirty D series LHS spheres picked up from CCOCA auctions, Bob King's clearance plus a few off my car, with 10 tested and only 2 dead ones (sadly one being an accumulator). A couple of the old D ones that had clearly been sitting idle in sheds for many years were charged near enough to full pressure, judging by their appearance they must have been off cars and in sheds for 15 or 20 years or more. Speaks volumes for the quality of the components from the early 1960s. When I tell people what pressure these run at, they are simply amazed (those who understand what 800 PSI means).

    Thanks also to Roger Wilkinson for lending us the LHS pressure tester, an ingenious design. Much appreciated.

    PS Shane - the M10x1.25 bolt you gave us worked a treat in helping remove those security nuts on the GS alloy wheels. I had to grind off the cast washer so that the whole head became a 19mm hex bolt and then used it to bolt the extractor tool and the burred wheel nut together and then could undo the joint arrangement. It looks like the other rear GS sphere yet to come off has the normal (larger) plug in it, so the sphere left with you may be the only one with the smaller plug. If you read this, can you tell me if that GS sphere has a sealing O-ring on it - I am one short?

    A pleasure to meet Michael Paas there as well with another large collection of LHS spheres, perhaps 15 or 20. They also seemed to have a good survival rate except for a set off a car that has had the wrong fluid put through the hydraulics and cooked the diagphrams. He also had several sitting at full pressure and not actually needing a recharge.

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    Yes Shane, your generosity is very much appreciated. I am now organised with my lot of LHS Spheres. Still some extenders to remove from the front spheres.
    Roger Brundle supplied me with some info a while ago regarding the setting up of the sphere valves and shims so I look forward to that side of things.
    I'm with Leconte in thanking Roger Wilkinson for supplying the pressure tester. It was so organised yesterday!
    Thanks for the tour of the sheds Shane.
    The '63 Id that had coolant in the oil, now has a reconditioned head. The Canola oil is just about "history" and I've swapped the clogged (canola) accumulator for a nice clean one. I'm putting the rest together and looking forward to see what this "new" ID is going to be like. It is wonderful knowing all the LHS Spheres have the correct pressures.
    All Good ----------- Thanks again , Michael

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    All we need is one of us to make the tools for unscrewing spheres at some point. The brake fluid spheres get really rusty and mucky in the valve area if removed from the cars. The diaphragms however in them seem to last forever if not contaminated.

    Remember you need to ignore the positiion the sphere came off the car from (they are NEVER right in my experience). The filler plugs are always wrong too, so ignore the numbers on them. Using the gas pressure we added, shim the valves so the 59bar spheres are front and the 26bar spheres are rear. Here's the thread with the details on it

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    I'm still amazed that quite a few of those very ancient looking spheres that look to have been sitting for decades were still basically fully charged!

    I'll make an attachment to recharge the brake accumulators as soon as I find some time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leconte View Post
    Hi Shane,

    Thank you very much for spending quite a bit of today working on our spheres and for the Nitrogen gas. A mixed result, with GS ones proving a little disappointing with two out of seven failed (throwaway) and one pending. A better result for a very mixed bag of ancient and dirty D series LHS spheres picked up from CCOCA auctions, Bob King's clearance plus a few off my car, with 10 tested and only 2 dead ones (sadly one being an accumulator). A couple of the old D ones that had clearly been sitting idle in sheds for many years were charged near enough to full pressure, judging by their appearance they must have been off cars and in sheds for 15 or 20 years or more. Speaks volumes for the quality of the components from the early 1960s. When I tell people what pressure these run at, they are simply amazed (those who understand what 800 PSI means).

    Thanks also to Roger Wilkinson for lending us the LHS pressure tester, an ingenious design. Much appreciated.

    PS Shane - the M10x1.25 bolt you gave us worked a treat in helping remove those security nuts on the GS alloy wheels. I had to grind off the cast washer so that the whole head became a 19mm hex bolt and then used it to bolt the extractor tool and the burred wheel nut together and then could undo the joint arrangement. It looks like the other rear GS sphere yet to come off has the normal (larger) plug in it, so the sphere left with you may be the only one with the smaller plug. If you read this, can you tell me if that GS sphere has a sealing O-ring on it - I am one short?

    A pleasure to meet Michael Paas there as well with another large collection of LHS spheres, perhaps 15 or 20. They also seemed to have a good survival rate except for a set off a car that has had the wrong fluid put through the hydraulics and cooked the diagphrams. He also had several sitting at full pressure and not actually needing a recharge.

    thanks again
    leconte
    Did you manage to get your GS moving if your a seal short? I have plenty of LHM spares here, but that will not help you get the car moving unless I can get one into the post today. I think you also left a brake fluid 'D' sphere here too. Well there is one sitting there still with no writing on it, so I'm assuming it's yours

    Excellent news about the wheel nuts.

    Are these the nuts you need

    8 M12 x 1.25 80mm PEUGEOT CITROEN ALLOY WHEEL NUTS BOLT CONVERSION HUB STUDS 16 | eBay

    I betting yours should have standard CX/BX/XM alloy wheel bolts, but has been converted to studs so the locking nuts could be used. ( search ebay for "m12 x 1.25 citroen" if you want to see what the bolts look like!).

    Someone out there with a regasser setup is massively overtightening the filler plugs. Gerrys GS spheres were also so tight I had to use a breakers bar to loosen the filler plug ............ and the filler plug threads were munched in one of his too.

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Icon14 Using up excess nitrogen..before return of gas cylinders.

    I had a look for some way to build a cheap Gas strut recharger as an easy solution for using up the excess (unused ) nitrogen before returning - looks like china makes quite a number of these, but not much in the internet. I recall reading somewhere that it was merely putting an old strut into a pressurised container to bypass the seals and restore the nitrogen gas pressure, then deflating the pressurized container, and if the seal hold then the strut is o.k. to go back in service - just not sure of the mechanical details, but the smaller the pressure container the less gas used.

    How gas springs work - Explain that Stuff

    Might be a good way of utilizing that excess nitrogen? I'm sure with your talents that would not be that hard to come up with an answer.

    I guess you have seen the Wikki site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydropneumatic_suspension - interesting reading - does any of that conflict with what you have discovered in doing the spheres etc.?

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