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    Icon11 DS not running,no hydraulics, how do i keep suspension up to move vehicle

    hey guys,
    recently bought a late d sedan but its a non runner and hydraulic hoses are broken so cant use a drill to
    raise vehicle with hydraulic pump
    so basically after advice, tips etc on how to keep the body up so i can move it, load and unload from a car trailer from anyone who has done this before (or any links to info)
    any help appreciated
    jeff

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    Find a witch steal her broom stick.
    Cut into 50mm lengths.
    Jack car up to high remove suspension spheres,
    insert pieces of said broom stick in ram tubes,
    refit spheres or temp caps and you have a high rider with no suspension.
    Note you still have no brakes or power steering and caution tie car down by wheel straps or to suspension arms as body pick up points are very very weak,
    good luck
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    Get a standard trailer (no beaver tails or tilts ... they suck). Most trailers these days have decent length ramps as modern cars are quite low. Chock all 4 trailer wheels and unhook the trailer from the car. As you winch the DS onto the trailer, the weight of the front of the car will tilt the trailer towards the sky, as the car rolls on, the trailer will slowly lower itself back down onto the towball. This should load most D
    s onto most trailers.

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    ok forgot about the sphere removal tip, have been told that before but yet to try it
    also appreciate trailer trick but last time i done that ended up putting a big dent in my mates hq panel van tailgate
    when trailer decided to move
    will try broomstick method first as loading should be straight forward once i have ground clearance
    thanks guys

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    This was a subject of discussion on here just last week.
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    I have done in multiple times just like shane but i dont unhook the trailer instead i reverse the tow car backwards up some car ramps which make the rear of the trailer almost hit the ground then just winch it on

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    Quote Originally Posted by levit8 View Post
    ok forgot about the sphere removal tip, have been told that before but yet to try it
    also appreciate trailer trick but last time i done that ended up putting a big dent in my mates hq panel van tailgate
    when trailer decided to move
    will try broomstick method first as loading should be straight forward once i have ground clearance
    thanks guys
    Um... you need to chock all four wheels like I suggested

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Um... you need to chock all four wheels like I suggested

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    Does the link to your pics and explanation still exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    Does the link to your pics and explanation still exist?
    Gee's ... look how shitty digital camera piccies were back then

    http://shanescitshed.com/deadcit/deadcit.html

    I should update that webpage someday. I should stick on youtube how I load flat hydraulic cars onto the car trailer here ...... You don't have to be insane, but it does help
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    one thing you missed shane, when the trailer has drop back onto the ball make sure you lower the hitch handle before driving otherwise there will be a disaster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balki View Post
    one thing you missed shane, when the trailer has drop back onto the ball make sure you lower the hitch handle before driving otherwise there will be a disaster
    Yep, and the safety chains and wiring connector. It would probably pay to tie the car onto the trailer and remove the ramps from the back too
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Yep, and the safety chains and wiring connector. It would probably pay to tie the car onto the trailer and remove the ramps from the back too
    And give the poor broomless Witch a lift home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59 Floride View Post
    And give the poor broomless Witch a lift home...
    She should know how to get home without a broom. You shouldn't have to spell it out for her.
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    Not a homing witch?

    You are best to get some dead late spheres as the broomstick can damage the sphere damper if you are not careful. It also needs to be a very clean broomstick to avoid debris in the cylinders. Most of the weight of a complete DS/ID is in the front, so take that into account when trying to winch it onto a trailer and jacking it.

    Also, don't tie one of these cars down to a trailer by the body if it can be started by anyone forgetful or just not understanding the system. Car transporters could make this error and then rip the body towing points etc. out when the car tries to self-level. Tie it down by the wheels plus safety chains on the suspension.

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    will do the broomstick trick but was going to put flat washers at either end to hopefully take pressure off ends of broomstick
    thanks again guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Not a homing witch?

    You are best to get some dead late spheres as the broomstick can damage the sphere damper if you are not careful. ....
    Aha, that's what I have been told and I've seen a couple of pressed damper spheres ruined this way - you can see the damaged 'shim'.

    I wonder how the cars were set-up during motor shows, or were they flat on the ground?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Subite View Post
    Aha, that's what I have been told and I've seen a couple of pressed damper spheres ruined this way - you can see the damaged 'shim'.

    I wonder how the cars were set-up during motor shows, or were they flat on the ground?

    I have a set of water pipe sections ~45mm long and from memory about 25mm dia and some machined aluminum strut caps result no damaged spheres but I have to move a few dead ones around
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    just want to say a big thank you to everyone for there advice and especially Shane L. for his almost taking offense to my lack of enthusiasm in testing his unhooked trailer method which motivated me to look into it further
    basically could only remove one sphere to do the broomstick trick so tried doing it his way
    actually worked amazingly well for both loading and unloading
    only thing extra i done was kept trailer chain hooked up and that served to limit and hold the trailer stable at a critical stage (as well as
    wheel chocks)
    so car is relocated, nothing was broken, nobody was hurt, all good
    thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by levit8 View Post
    just want to say a big thank you to everyone for there advice and especially Shane L. for his almost taking offense to my lack of enthusiasm in testing his unhooked trailer method which motivated me to look into it further
    basically could only remove one sphere to do the broomstick trick so tried doing it his way
    actually worked amazingly well for both loading and unloading
    only thing extra i done was kept trailer chain hooked up and that served to limit and hold the trailer stable at a critical stage (as well as
    wheel chocks)
    so car is relocated, nothing was broken, nobody was hurt, all good
    thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by levit8 View Post
    just want to say a big thank you to everyone for there advice and especially Shane L. for his almost taking offense to my lack of enthusiasm in testing his unhooked trailer method which motivated me to look into it further
    basically could only remove one sphere to do the broomstick trick so tried doing it his way
    actually worked amazingly well for both loading and unloading
    only thing extra i done was kept trailer chain hooked up and that served to limit and hold the trailer stable at a critical stage (as well as
    wheel chocks)
    so car is relocated, nothing was broken, nobody was hurt, all good
    thanks again


    I didn't take offfense I've just tried loading most ways and that's the only way I've found that is almost always successful Owners usually stick the cars under trees or some place that doesn't allow access for jacking/lifting too (dunno why we tend to do that ). Lifting to use broomsticks can sometimes be quite difficult. Especially if the rear spheres refuse to come off, and the rear arm area is frail... and the cars sunk into the ground ... and there is nowhere for a jack to get under ...etc, etc.

    That's how my trailer works too... it has a long overhang at the back, so basically "automatically tilts". It's quite amusing to drive a car with dead hydraulics up the ramps... as you get to the back edge of the trailer the rear wheels of the towcar lift off the ground (even if its a weighty 4wd) ... then the tow car lowers back down onto the ground as you roll onto the trailer forward of the trailer axles.

    I should post a Utube video of the "self loading" trailer some day

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    Here's how German supermodels load a DS onto a trailer.


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    I'd like to load her trailer.

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