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    For some time, years in fact, the lack of a straight icon on the choke knob has annoyed me.

    I knew Greenblood (Chris Fry) had pursued the reproduction of the plastic icon in the centre of the knob.
    There are different styles and sizes. Chris undaunted prepared a number, though was unhappy with the result, declaring them all imperfect. This means no-one else but Chris or observant fellow pedants is likely to spot a thing...

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    Fast forward to today. I had cursed Chris mentally, then verbally for not sending one new straight icon sticker after seeing yet again the less than straight icon. It was cocked toward 2 oclock.
    Whilst on the phone to him, I caressed the knob anticlockwise, removing it, considering to index the thread. Looked at a spare knob assembly (and they are assemblies), as the plastic icon is removable. At least on the two knobs in hand.

    I removed the icons carefully with an awl from both knobs, then polished (wait for it) the icons with Polywatch.
    One came up a treat, the other has suffered the ravages of acrylic degradation, for me in this instance an unwanted patina.

    Still speaking with Chris, the knob was caressed clockwise into place, tightened by hand, then the icon replaced, with the spritzing lines in the upright 12 oclock position. Mission successful.
    Chris verbally applauded then declared a need to empty his bladder. I think he was nearly as pleased as me, certainly as least as much as I smiled (ever so slightly) typing this.



    Straight as a soldier.



    So if your knob, or the choke icon is looking bent or off kilter, a fix is at hand.
    If you're not handy with an awl, I'm sure Chris can help straightening up the knob...icon.

    It's a really easy fix, performed with my knob in one hand and the phone in the other.

    richo
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    Quote Originally Posted by richo View Post
    For some time, years in fact, the lack of a straight icon on the choke knob has annoyed me.

    I knew Greenblood (Chris Fry) had pursued the reproduction of the plastic icon in the centre of the knob.
    There different styles and sizes. Chris undaunted prepared a number, though was unhappy with the result, declaring them all imperfect. This means no-one else but Chris or observant fellow pedants is likely to spot a thing...


    Fast forward to today. I had cursed Chris mentally, then verbally for not sending one new straight icon sticker after seeing yet again the less than straight icon. It was cocked toward 2 oclock.
    Whilst on the phone to him, I caressed the knob anticlockwise, removing it, considering to index the thread. Looked at a spare knob assembly (and they are assemblies), as the plastic icon is removable. At least on the two knobs in hand.

    I removed the icons carefully with an awl from both knobs, then polished (wait for it) the icons with Polywatch.
    One came up a treat, the other has suffered the ravages of acrylic degradation, for me in this instance an unwanted patina.

    Still speaking with Chris, the knob was caressed clockwise into place, tightened by hand, then the icon replaced, with the spritzing lines in the upright 12 oclock position. Mission successful.
    Chris verbally applauded then declared a need to empty his bladder. I think he was nearly as pleased as me, certainly as least as much as I smiled (ever so slightly) typing this.


    Straight as a soldier.

    So if your knob, or the (c)hoke icon is looking bent or off kilter, a fix is at hand.
    If you're not handy with an awl, I'm sure Chris can help straightening up the knob...icon.

    richo
    You're a funny larrakin, you know we were giggling like schoolgirls whilst you talked me through the process of straightening your knob. I think there is a service available where you actually pay for a similar outcome

    Of course if you are not content with just a straight knob, and need the fully polished look I do have the reproductions (first batch is not 100%) might need another phone call like the last to get me inspired to have another shot

    I prefer the chrome bezel at 90 degrees, I see you like yours more erect





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    Bugger, my old DS21 only has a plastic blanking plug there.... No choking for me
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    i presume they become cocked to one side due to the asymmetric use of the same hand over a number of years?
    or do some come that way from new?

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    I've seen whole threads vapourised for having less suggestive content than this...Hope you both have your appologies ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexander View Post
    i presume they become cocked to one side due to the asymmetric use of the same hand over a number of years?
    or do some come that way from new?
    Entirely feasible alexander, indeed possible.
    The knob is threaded at the base onto a shaft. The cable itself is a solid wire type.
    Years of pulling that knob, toward the right side with the left hand, then the whole plot could turn.
    No idea if they came that way from new.

    It certainly doesn't take to straightening out by itself.

    The base of the knob could be indexed, but shaving the base can have dire consequences, especially as it is in encased in rubber.
    Knowing the icon was removable from the head of the knob was the key. It was something which neither I nor Chris had envisaged, until I began poking about with my awl.

    That Chris went to the trouble of creating new knob icons is to be applauded. Now we know the icon is replaceable and fixable is a cause for joy. My cup runneth over.

    Thanks for your observation, I hadn't looked at it from that angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richo View Post
    Entirely feasible alexander, indeed possible.
    The knob is threaded at the base onto a shaft. The cable itself is a solid wire type.
    Years of pulling that knob, toward the right side with the left hand, then the whole plot could turn.
    No idea if they came that way from new.

    It certainly doesn't take to straightening out by itself.

    The base of the knob could be indexed, but shaving the base can have dire consequences, especially as it is in encased in rubber.
    Knowing the icon was removable from the head of the knob was the key. It was something which neither I nor Chris had envisaged, until I began poking about with my awl.

    That Chris went to the trouble of creating new knob icons is to be applauded. Now we know the icon is replaceable and fixable is a cause for joy. My cup runneth over.

    Thanks for your observation, I hadn't looked at it from that angle.

    richo
    I'll have to check tonight Richo, I had an idea that the cable is a sprung wire, less inclined to kink? I have attempted to over-tighten to get the icon sitting vertical but it always sprang back. It didn't matter what you attempted at the choke connection at the carby the icon had a set position. I doubt there was any real thought given to this at the factory? It's good to know there is a solution one way or another.

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    Maybe they are meant to be off centre - you know Pierre the new DS owner would want to wear his beret on his head when driving his new masterpiece ( to one side which would tilt his head slightly ) and the tricky engineers decided to compensate for this possibility ( not really ) Hawk

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    ah, so it might be something to do with the french cap worn by the driver?

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    God I thought I was anal... I'll check my knob when I get home... I'm off now to provide some appalling service back to Sydney... apparently.

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    Chris.. your dash looks nice and fresh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Maybe they are meant to be off centre - you know Pierre the new DS owner would want to wear his beret on his head when driving his new masterpiece ( to one side which would tilt his head slightly ) and the tricky engineers decided to compensate for this possibility ( not really ) Hawk
    Could be some truth in that, the icon sat at a jaunty angle that some could see as French flair. That being the case they will be happy to leave things as they sit. Those that have become distressed over the years gazing at the angular anomaly, now have at least two solutions - as Richo has determined the icon can be lifted and set straight or for the cost of a postage stamp I can supply a replacement sticker.

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    The Déesse has all the characteristics of one of those objects fallen from another universe that fed the mania for novelty in the eighteenth century and a similar mania expressed by modern science fiction: the Déesse is first and foremost the new Nautilus.

    (Umberto Eco [Ed], The History of Beauty, Rizzoli, NY, 2004)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnm View Post
    God I thought I was anal... I'll check my knob when I get home... I'm off now to provide some appalling service back to Sydney... apparently.

    Matthew

    Chris.. your dash looks nice and fresh..
    That knob tilted to one side had me well and truly irked for years.
    Knowing Chris had made the knob icons and mine needed straightening only forced the task while we were speaking on the phone.
    Then I work out the top of the knob can be fiddled with and the lip of the knob pulled back to remove the icon...
    Finally solved.
    I should've taken pics, of the knob "dressed to the right at two o bloody clock", but it wasn't something I liked.

    My dash is old, sunburnt and grubby, at the time when it was installed I figure it was a good few hundred kilometres from redemption and repair. The knob icon is bright, shiny and straight up.
    The clock looks a tad dusty too. How remiss of me.



    This pic shows the errant knob icon, back when the BVH conversion took place.
    No, it wasn't clean, in fact it had spent the best part of 20 years out in the open.

    A reposition and polish to the knob and its icon has improved it no end.
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    One wonders whether knobs in France become tilted in the other direction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    One wonders whether knobs in France become tilted in the other direction?
    Excellent, LHD and RHD, there's a thought!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Excellent, LHD and RHD, there's a thought!!

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    After reading this I shall head straight home and assess the angle at which my knob sits in relation to its icon.

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    Dare I suggest using your other hand...or get the passenger to reach across and assist in the process (may require a few goes but get into a daily habit).... and tell them to use a slight pressure to the left when pulling.... this will ensure things straighten out again. Or just have a few goes from the passenger seat by yourself.

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    This image is a little disturbing



    I see a choke knob at 11 o'clock in a promotional brochure

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Excellent, LHD and RHD, there's a thought!!

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    Set up a program of exchange knobs between DS drivers n Australia and French to correct the lean

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    Perhaps it is possible to 'weight' the drivers cardigan pocket on the right hand side with marbles or stones to correct the posture and therefor the knob.

    Just putting it out there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    This image is a little disturbing



    I see a choke knob at 11 o'clock in a promotional brochure

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    Well Chris, at least we know our knob icons are straight up.
    The hell with the rest of them, I don't want them to understand ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by richo View Post
    Well Chris, at least we know our knob icons are straight up.
    The hell with the rest of them, I don't want them to understand ;-)

    richo
    Yup, your solution certainly was much easier than tilting the whole car

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    (Umberto Eco [Ed], The History of Beauty, Rizzoli, NY, 2004)

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    11 0'clock, 1.00 o'clock, noon direction ! That icon with the spray pattern pointing up was ok in the 20s with updraught carburettors but not with the "modern" downdraft job. You've all got it wrong....wrong....wrong !
    The spray pattern must be DOWN .
    Back to the drawing board guys . I'm sure you all know how important the angle is !

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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenut View Post
    11 0'clock, 1.00 o'clock, noon direction ! That icon with the spray pattern pointing up was ok in the 20s with updraught carburettors but not with the "modern" downdraft job. You've all got it wrong....wrong....wrong !
    The spray pattern must be DOWN .
    Back to the drawing board guys . I'm sure you all know how important the angle is !

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    Cripes Richard,
    You may be right in your assessment of the icon, I had wondered what the relationship of an old CRT TV had to the choke on a DS??

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    "Déesse" Roland Barthes, 'Mythologies', 1957

    The Déesse has all the characteristics of one of those objects fallen from another universe that fed the mania for novelty in the eighteenth century and a similar mania expressed by modern science fiction: the Déesse is first and foremost the new Nautilus.

    (Umberto Eco [Ed], The History of Beauty, Rizzoli, NY, 2004)

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