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    Thought I would start a running report on the SM.

    I bought the car as a 50th birthday present to myself in Febuary 2012. It has for a long time been a dream car for me and considered unnatainable, untill late last year, when my lovely wife intervened in my purchase of a late model XM and said, "isn't it an SM you want?" Oh, that's right whoops, ahh here they are, a bit dearer though, "Well dear you are turning 50 soon and you only live once."

    So on starting to look seriously this beauty turned up in my locale, and was by far the best one on the market at the time. I had it checked out by Cars of France and Citro Motors and despite differing reports decided to buy. I was very excited when going to swap large bank cheque for car and my drive home was quite thrilling. I had to go up the northern arm of Citilink to get home so decided to keep going to Sunbury. What a buzz. I always love that first good drive in a new aquisition. It was with reluctance that I returned home, but when I did I received an excited reception from my wife, 6 year old son and the neighbours kids who leapt in and out of her freaking me out. I have spent many hours reading Ian Flemmings chitty chitty bang bang to my son (and myself) so he was expecting something magical.

    And magical she is. I love the way when turning the ignition key to the first position a deep rumbling starts (presumably from the twin fuel pumps) and when she starts, at first she sounds like a truck but with a few revs reveals her Italian twin cam V6 sound. I also love the long legged feel of the engine/drive train. This is in part due to what I imagine is a heavy flywheel and an ease of carrying revs. At 3,000rpm it feels like it is spinning much slower. This laid back mechanical feel blends perfectly with the big citroens' wonderful suspension, steering and brakes. To top it all off is the ambience and creature comforts of the leather interior with the smell unique, in my experience, to a leather clad 70's citroen.

    As the need to drive her is for pleasure only, and not frequently enough, there is a need to take off her cover and have a good fiddle periodicaly. I bought a leather care kit and have been rubbing it in when the desire/need arises. I have also been polishing everything within reach under the bonnet. I am very lucky as the car was restored to show standards 10 or so years ago and has done few miles since, and so apart from a light layer of grime, the engine bay comes up a treat and has many bits that car be satisfyingly polished up to a new look, and there is very little that needs more than that to once again restore her to show standard.

    I keep her in my carport which though not ideal, is snug enough. It has a pretty watertight roof, and walls on all but the entrance end. I keep her under an ebay aquired soft cover which is brilliant, as it keeps the dust off and all I have to do after a drive is to wipe her lovingly with a damp chamois and wrap her up again. When taking her out next time she is as clean as freshly washed. I have not washed her once yet and has only got wet when on a drive once or twice. Hopefully this will help preserve her rust free state. My last car, an alfa, was always covered in a layer of dust, and so was always getting hosed down and consequently exposed to rust making conditions.

    So far the running costs have been reasonable. I had the aircon regassed and a new temperature sender fitted to get the gauge to work when I first bought her. I also had her serviced with all the fluids changed - LHM, engine and gearbox oil and coolant. She does however have a bit of a miss fire, which was diagnosed as possibly a slightly leaking head gasket. I suspect this maybe correct despite some additive that was put in her cooling system to seal it up, as there is a bit of oil at the top of the coolant tank after sitting for some time. I am taking her tomorrow to a Maserati specialist close by to have a look and give me an idea of the cost to rectify the situation as the miss fire puts a bit of a damper on the driving experience and I want her to be in tip top shape.

    I had a lovely drive out to Sunbury again on Sunday, out past the airport, lopping along on her long legs down the straights and sweeping through double laned roundabouts with minimal loss of speed. My MP3 player tootling out my favourite tunes through the cassette deck. Ah bliss.
    cheers Tony

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    Your trying to make us jealous right I dream of finding an SM cheaply ......................... with a blown motor. I'd stick a modern all alloy v8 in there somehow (the upkeep/rebuild costs of a maserati mean I'll likely never own one otherwise ).

    This is where the SM owners hang out:

    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Sport-Maserati-L/

    Amazingly even Andrew Brodie and Andre Pol are members of the list and offer advice.

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    It's not often you read Australian SM owners thoughts about their car, especially a new owner. Cheers for the refreshing read and I look forward finding out more about your furthering adventures with the beast.

    You do only live once!
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    Quote Originally Posted by donat View Post
    It's not often you read Australian SM owners thoughts about their car, especially a new owner. Cheers for the refreshing read and I look forward finding out more about your furthering adventures with the beast.

    You do only live once!
    Do you think my wife will listen if I say I want an SM ... and " we only live once " There's been a couple of tidy ones for sale over the last two years in Australia for very reasonable money.
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    '78 GS1220 pallas
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    They've been cropping up more so than GS's in the last 12 months. I'm beginning to think there are more SMs on the road these days.

    The red one that's missing carpet and so on via carsales seems quite reasonably priced!
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    A quick update.

    Decided to go for a twilight drive tonight which was a pleasure. I love the sense of anticipation when removing the cover and seeing again the gleaming paintwork, the unhurried startup/warmup procedure, and savoring the sensory experience of being the pilot of this lovely machine. It really is a great way to travel, particularly when it is just for the hell of it. So on with the report.

    I was well pleased to win a trophy at the CCCV concours for best ID/DS/SM - a first for me though I can't really take any credit (apart from taking the purchasing plunge) for the condition of the car as I haven't even washed it yet, thanks to my flocked car cover.

    Now to the not so good. I took the car to the local Maserati specialist who did a leak down test and diagnosed No. 6 cylinder with a leak. He also replaced the spark plugs and 'tuned it up'. He also told me that to replace both head gaskets would cost about 6 grand, this would account for any unseen issues such as valves, machining heads etc and parts. I felt quite ill after that. But the car is running very nicely with the miss fire cured, which is very pleasing. After talking to a few other owners and experts and researching the cars history some more I have determined a course of action.
    It would appear that the engine was freshened up with new timing chains and tensioner in the states by Citroen Classic Concours for their own use in the mid nineties and had nothing major done by SM Australia or since. I also met the first 2 Australian owners at the CCCV concours which was nice, particularly as they both said they had really enjoyed owning it and regretted selling it. Anyway advice is mixed as to what to replace. Brodie suggests replacing the original sodium filled exhaust valves but says the head studs are reusable, Hathaway's advice is leave the valves but definitely do the head studs.

    So the first thing I will do is to get a second opinion regarding the leaking gasket. This will be done next week at another Maserati specialist - Sports Car Services. If it is indeed a problem then I will buy gaskets, head studs, exhaust valves and seals from SM world and have Sports Car Services in Braeside do the work which hopefully will work out less than 6 grand. At the same time I will have timing chains and tensioner checked to see if there is some life left in them.

    I will report again soon.

    cheers Tony

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    If it's only the heads, I'd take a punt and pull them myself. After all the local engineering place is going to do the work on them, not you $6000 Is he thinking of rebuilding the whole engine just for the hell of it

    Get your local mechanic to check for combustion gasses in the coolant. Why does he think the head gaskets are leaking. Is it mixing coolant/oil ... or bubbling through the head tank?

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    Hi Tony,

    My SM had a complete engine rebuild two years ago from Spyder Automotive in Warragul and judging by the prices you've been quoted, this might prove to be the better option.

    Hope this is helpful.
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    Can anyone tell those reading this thread the logique Citroen harnessed when they toddled off down the road hand in hand with Maserati? I love SMs but those engines report endlessly as crisis prone with timing chain and sundry bung ups.
    As they age it seems like you would either need to be a clued in mechanic or cashed up to run one, at any level.

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    Peter McLeod - would any of you SM fans have a current contact email and phone number for him by any chance?

    Gee, they are gorgeous!!!

    Chris Mortimer

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    http://www.blackstallionmotors.com.au/

    You could also speak to Tim at Black Stallion Motors in Ringwood.
    He has prior SM experience and would be my recommendation.
    You can tell him i recommended him.
    I also have an SM and he will get my engine rebuild one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesse View Post


    Thought I would start a running report on the SM.

    I bought the car as a 50th birthday present to myself in Febuary 2012. It has for a long time been a dream car for me and considered unnatainable, untill late last year, when my lovely wife intervened in my purchase of a late model XM and said, "isn't it an SM you want?" Oh, that's right whoops, ahh here they are, a bit dearer though, "Well dear you are turning 50 soon and you only live once."

    So on starting to look seriously this beauty turned up in my locale, and was by far the best one on the market at the time. I had it checked out by Cars of France and Citro Motors and despite differing reports decided to buy. I was very excited when going to swap large bank cheque for car and my drive home was quite thrilling. I had to go up the northern arm of Citilink to get home so decided to keep going to Sunbury. What a buzz. I always love that first good drive in a new aquisition. It was with reluctance that I returned home, but when I did I received an excited reception from my wife, 6 year old son and the neighbours kids who leapt in and out of her freaking me out. I have spent many hours reading Ian Flemmings chitty chitty bang bang to my son (and myself) so he was expecting something magical.

    And magical she is. I love the way when turning the ignition key to the first position a deep rumbling starts (presumably from the twin fuel pumps) and when she starts, at first she sounds like a truck but with a few revs reveals her Italian twin cam V6 sound. I also love the long legged feel of the engine/drive train. This is in part due to what I imagine is a heavy flywheel and an ease of carrying revs. At 3,000rpm it feels like it is spinning much slower. This laid back mechanical feel blends perfectly with the big citroens' wonderful suspension, steering and brakes. To top it all off is the ambience and creature comforts of the leather interior with the smell unique, in my experience, to a leather clad 70's citroen.

    As the need to drive her is for pleasure only, and not frequently enough, there is a need to take off her cover and have a good fiddle periodicaly. I bought a leather care kit and have been rubbing it in when the desire/need arises. I have also been polishing everything within reach under the bonnet. I am very lucky as the car was restored to show standards 10 or so years ago and has done few miles since, and so apart from a light layer of grime, the engine bay comes up a treat and has many bits that car be satisfyingly polished up to a new look, and there is very little that needs more than that to once again restore her to show standard.

    I keep her in my carport which though not ideal, is snug enough. It has a pretty watertight roof, and walls on all but the entrance end. I keep her under an ebay aquired soft cover which is brilliant, as it keeps the dust off and all I have to do after a drive is to wipe her lovingly with a damp chamois and wrap her up again. When taking her out next time she is as clean as freshly washed. I have not washed her once yet and has only got wet when on a drive once or twice. Hopefully this will help preserve her rust free state. My last car, an alfa, was always covered in a layer of dust, and so was always getting hosed down and consequently exposed to rust making conditions.

    So far the running costs have been reasonable. I had the aircon regassed and a new temperature sender fitted to get the gauge to work when I first bought her. I also had her serviced with all the fluids changed - LHM, engine and gearbox oil and coolant. She does however have a bit of a miss fire, which was diagnosed as possibly a slightly leaking head gasket. I suspect this maybe correct despite some additive that was put in her cooling system to seal it up, as there is a bit of oil at the top of the coolant tank after sitting for some time. I am taking her tomorrow to a Maserati specialist close by to have a look and give me an idea of the cost to rectify the situation as the miss fire puts a bit of a damper on the driving experience and I want her to be in tip top shape.

    I had a lovely drive out to Sunbury again on Sunday, out past the airport, lopping along on her long legs down the straights and sweeping through double laned roundabouts with minimal loss of speed. My MP3 player tootling out my favourite tunes through the cassette deck. Ah bliss.
    cheers Tony
    Showed my wife the first paragraph - hope she got the message and I reckon you should have titled this 50 shades of SM.
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    Great post Tony,
    Congratulations on your purchase.
    Im looking forward to hear of your ongoing enjoyment and progress with the Maserati V6.
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    Thanks for your replies and advice. I have spoken to Sports Car Services and they are currently rebuilding several Merak engines which are one and the same. His cost estimates seemed much more reasonable and they come recommended. So they will do the cylinder pressure test - take out spark plug, allign valves fit compressed air nossle into spark plug hole and blow. This is what was done before I believe. If the gasket has failed around that cylinder then bubbles will appear in the coolant tank. I am getting an oily residue in the tank but no other symptoms I want to be sure before I commit to this expensive procedure. If I am less than satisfied by this place I will investigate the others kindly recommended.
    As to forumnoreason's opinion I believe SM's are not the only citroen, indeed many other makes, to suffer from this sort of prejudice. Think Jaguars Alfas Fiats etc. I believe if the engine is in good fettle it should be no less reliable than any other car. The running costs are of course expected to be higher than simpler engines as there are two heads, 3 carburetors, 4 cams shafts etc. But to me it is worth it.

    I will keep you posted on developments

    PS Chris - Peter McLeod, try [email protected]

    cheers Tony

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    $6000 !!
    What is the breakup? i.e. are the parts expensive, the labour, or both?

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    Tony, thanks for the email. Shall try. Much appreciated. Chris M

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    Well folks, time for another report. The car is 'the bomb' (this being american speak for really good, not 'a bomb'). I have decided to postpone the head gasket job as the car is just purring. I have had a few early morning drives lately to try to avoid the heat. Up before dawn and out on the road, just me the car and the music. It really is a great way to enjoy driving a nice car. M last trip yesterday was to Phillip Island to watch the classic car racing. I was a bit concerned about overheating on the return trip as whilst it was relatively cool going there - low 20's, coming home was in the mid thirties. But she didn't budge her temperature gauge over halfway. The twin fans were doing their job and she didn't miss a beat. I was bloody hot though. I darn't use the airco, though I will next time.

    I have bought the bits for the head gasket job from SM World but will leave it for a while as I still can't quite believe there is a problem. Once there are definite signs like, using coolant - not, blowing water - not, much steam - not, water in the oil - not, then I will act. Until then I will enjoy it as is.

    So my advice to followers of SM's, buy one now. They will never be a better price. The dark brown one on cars sales disappeared pretty quickly. Anyone know who bought it?

    cheers Tony

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    Here is a photo of watching the sunrise somewhere near Warrendyte


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    Looking good Tony ---the light at that time of the day is great.
    I also would like to know who bought the brown one on Carsales ?
    Looked like a good example of an SM ---$55K cant work out why they arent more expensive given they only made less than 13 ,000 ??

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    A white one appeared on Ebay a month ago and swiftly disappeared too. The only one that won't go away is the red one.

    I drive mine at least once a week for a reasonable distance. I bought a KM/H speedo from France over Christmas which makes me feel less of a race car driver when on the open road.

    Thought I had a coolant/cooling issue the other day but for some reason the tap at the bottom of the radiator wasn't tight. WHEW! If I park it in a public place, I see people taking photos of it. Same story goes with the ID. It's flattering!

    Good to see they're being enjoyed and not just sitting in a shed lookin' pretty..
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    Glad to hear the issue was easily solved Donnie. I am sure for our planned drive to Yarra Valley on the weekend we will get four times the admiring looks as per usual (we will be a group of four SM's - a bounty of SM's? [surely someone can do better than this]). I am looking forward to seeing other SM's on the road as I have never seen one, except for the occasional glimpse of myself reflected in shop windows as I sweep past.

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    2014 update.

    Well it is now over 2 years since I purchased my SM and 1 year since I last reported.

    The SM has been going very well and I have taken it on a number of extended runs including a trip to Canberra and a few great runs with the SM group. It has been a pleasure to drive and really only a couple of minor issues have raised their head.

    Last year Lee very kindly offered to show me the procedure to do a minor service, so drove down to his place at Mt Eliza and together we changed the oil and filter, fitted a new set of plugs, greased the suspension, and adjusted the dwell on the distributor. It was running nicely after though soon developed a flat spot when accelerating from cruising speed. A bit annoying when trying to maintain speed on the freeway. Anyway a trip soon after to my local Maserati specialist had that fixed with a carby balance.



    It was just after Christmas this year that I noticed a sort of rattle in the engine at low revs. It might have been there for a while but with the warmer weather I had the window down and could hear it quite clearly. I took it to the Maserati guy who thought it might be coming from the group of gizmos driven by the jack shaft and advised I disconnect that to see if the noise was was present. He also said the clutch was almost finished! - I had noticed it slipping a bit so was not surprised by that.
    I had been meaning to fit a new donut to the shaft anyway as the old one was deteriorating and it was an easy job to disconnect the shaft and replace the donut. But the noise was still present. I then had Bruno who used to service my Afla drop in and he said he thought it was the timing chains that needing tensioning. He also noted a clicking noise coming from the drive belt to the AC compressor and said that if they have some oil or grease on them that can cause that problem. Interesting. So I spoke to my mate Lee who said he would be happy to help me (god bless him) and advised I get a set of cam cover gaskets as the covers have to come off. So sent off an order for gaskets and a clutch kit (to be done another day) to SM world and a week later the parts arrived looking lovely in their nicely packed box - thanks Jerry, he is a good man.



    In the mean time when going to start the car the starter groaned a bit like I had a flatenning battery and then did nothing. Now normally I would think that as it doesn't get used like a regular car and every other old car I have owned has always had battery issues then it would be the battery. But but but, I had 6 months previously bought a trickle charger which on reading the instructions informed me that with continued use this device would make my battery like new. So I therefore assumed my battery was good and jumped to the conclusion my starter had packed it in. I was feeling pretty low about my lovely car, marooned in my carport hard up against the wall and down on her stops with no way to move her with innumerable expensive problems. Advice was sought and connections were checked, battery was tested (looked good on the jaycar multi meter) and starter motor removal procedures were checked out.



    Well Lee turned up and we poked around the battery and starter to no avail then moved onto the timing chains. Despite the close proximity of the car to the wall and the floor we managed to jack her up and shift her out a bit so we could complete that job to our satisfaction. We then had a look at the starter that made us realise that there was no way we were going to get it out without getting the car up a bit higher. Anyway after fiddling around a bit more we got the starter to turn half a revolution a couple of times. This was promising so Lee then fetched the battery from his Saab (lucky he didn't have the SM or we would have been there all day) and low and behold she cranked over and started. Yippee. Though after a few minutes a noise like a marble in a tin can started emanating from the hydraulic pump. We pondered this a bit and came to the onclusion that it was the pulley belts driving the AC pump and alternator. The next day I bought a new battery and after jump starting the car got it pumped up again soIi could get the front wheel off and fit the battery through the cover plate in the wheel arch. Bugger of a job but I persevered. Finally checked over everything and headed out on my suburban loop route for an after dark spin. The big grin on my face at the end told my wife that everything was good. Lee confirmed that the noise is more than likely to be the belts and I have noticed that the AC belt is both a bit loose and slightly out of alignment. So that's the next job and looks straight forward enough. Though you never know.



    So there you have it. Am I glad I bought an SM? you bet. Hopefully I can nurse the clutch for a while as it will be a job for a mechanic as it might be a bit beyond me. Though if anyone wishes to assist and help me then drop me a message as it is probably a 2 person job with a least one knowing what they are doing.

    Until next time
    cheers Tony

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    Tony,

    When reading about your fleet follies, I couldn't help but think about my own experiences during these last 18 months of SM ownership. Perhaps I should've done a blog as I'm sure it would either encourage or discourage a future owner!
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    It's never too late Donnie and the more info and stuff there is to look at the better.
    cheers Tony

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    2014 update.

    Well it is now over 2 years since I purchased my SM and 1 year since I last reported.

    The SM has been going very well and I have taken it on a number of extended runs including a trip to Canberra and a few great runs with the SM group. It has been a pleasure to drive and really only a couple of minor issues have raised their head.

    Last year Lee very kindly offered to show me the procedure to do a minor service, so drove down to his place at Mt Eliza and together we changed the oil and filter, fitted a new set of plugs, greased the suspension, and adjusted the dwell on the distributor. It was running nicely after though soon developed a flat spot when accelerating from cruising speed. A bit annoying when trying to maintain speed on the freeway. Anyway a trip soon after to my local Maserati specialist had that fixed with a carby balance.



    It was just after Christmas this year that I noticed a sort of rattle in the engine at low revs. It might have been there for a while but with the warmer weather I had the window down and could hear it quite clearly. I took it to the Maserati guy who thought it might be coming from the group of gizmos driven by the jack shaft and advised I disconnect that to see if the noise was was present. He also said the clutch was almost finished! - I had noticed it slipping a bit so was not surprised by that.
    I had been meaning to fit a new donut to the shaft anyway as the old one was deteriorating and it was an easy job to disconnect the shaft and replace the donut. But the noise was still present. I then had Bruno who used to service my Afla drop in and he said he thought it was the timing chains that needing tensioning. He also noted a clicking noise coming from the drive belt to the AC compressor and said that if they have some oil or grease on them that can cause that problem. Interesting. So I spoke to my mate Lee who said he would be happy to help me (god bless him) and advised I get a set of cam cover gaskets as the covers have to come off. So sent off an order for gaskets and a clutch kit (to be done another day) to SM world and a week later the parts arrived looking lovely in their nicely packed box - thanks Jerry, he is a good man.



    In the mean time when going to start the car the starter groaned a bit like I had a flatenning battery and then did nothing. Now normally I would think that as it doesn't get used like a regular car and every other old car I have owned has always had battery issues then it would be the battery. But but but, I had 6 months previously bought a trickle charger which on reading the instructions informed me that with continued use this device would make my battery like new. So I therefore assumed my battery was good and jumped to the conclusion my starter had packed it in. I was feeling pretty low about my lovely car, marooned in my carport hard up against the wall and down on her stops with no way to move her with innumerable expensive problems. Advice was sought and connections were checked, battery was tested (looked good on the jaycar multi meter) and starter motor removal procedures were checked out.



    Well Lee turned up and we poked around the battery and starter to no avail then moved onto the timing chains. Despite the close proximity of the car to the wall and the floor we managed to jack her up and shift her out a bit so we could complete that job to our satisfaction. We then had a look at the starter that made us realise that there was no way we were going to get it out without getting the car up a bit higher. Anyway after fiddling around a bit more we got the starter to turn half a revolution a couple of times. This was promising so Lee then fetched the battery from his Saab (lucky he didn't have the SM or we would have been there all day) and low and behold she cranked over and started. Yippee. Though after a few minutes a noise like a marble in a tin can started emanating from the hydraulic pump. We pondered this a bit and came to the onclusion that it was the pulley belts driving the AC pump and alternator. The next day I bought a new battery and after jump starting the car got it pumped up again soIi could get the front wheel off and fit the battery through the cover plate in the wheel arch. Bugger of a job but I persevered. Finally checked over everything and headed out on my suburban loop route for an after dark spin. The big grin on my face at the end told my wife that everything was good. Lee confirmed that the noise is more than likely to be the belts and I have noticed that the AC belt is both a bit loose and slightly out of alignment. So that's the next job and looks straight forward enough. Though you never know.



    So there you have it. Am I glad I bought an SM? you bet. Hopefully I can nurse the clutch for a while as it will be a job for a mechanic as it might be a bit beyond me. Though if anyone wishes to assist and help me then drop me a message as it is probably a 2 person job with a least one knowing what they are doing.

    Until next time
    cheers Tony
    It''s low on LHM if you can hear the pump rattling as described...... Don't drive it again until you have checked/topped it up. If it has the level indicator like a CX, these are a float that sticks, tap it with your finger. If it's a level tube like a DS, these can lie if they don't leak air at the top of the tube, pull the top of the tube out of it's rubber sleave and see if it changes. Put the car on low and see if the LHM level is close to the top of the resevoir (it should be ).

    The reason it doesn't start rattling for a short time is the pump has plenty of fluid until the car lifts, so the pump doesn't rattle. When it lifts, it drains the reseviour so starts sucking air and rattles.

    seeya,
    Shane L,.
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