Targa Tasmania 04

[froggy_drew]

Hey Cal and all other baggers of me and my car preferences.

You would have been delighted to see the top 10 cars after the Prologue stage at Targa.

7 Porsches (there Luca, no need to see a doctor :P )

1 Ultima in 3rd place driven by - shock horror - a QLD Westfield owner and club member

1 Westfield Clubman (i don't care how modified)

1 Nissan Skyrice!

To save you all the effort, i will add the following points that i'm sure you will use as an excuse..

- It's only the first stage and not a true indication
- The Nissan is 4WD so thats cheating
- the Ultima and Westfield's are purpose built race cars

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Cal]

I was just about to start a thread about Targa. Was just preparing info when I see you beat me to it.

Porsches, yeah no crap and you've never heard me bag a Porker.

I am glad Guy managed to get the thing that high. Let's see what happens when the road get bumpy today and tomorrow. I wish them well though.

I am barracking for Ray and John myself. That ain't a Westfield fool. :roflmao:

I really hope you aren't comparing a targa preped GTR to your car. They share a badge. That's all. :moon:

Cal.

[Brad]

I really hope you aren't comparing a targa preped GTR to your car. They share a badge. That's all. :moon:

Cal.

Absolutely priceless. :headbang:

[froggy_drew]

oh god you crack me up.
why the hell would i be comparing my car with it? its for sale now anyway, so don't get your knickers in a knot.
i was just putting that crap there to get a rise out of you which obviously was easy. $2 billion dollars says if a french car was on the top 10 list you would all be bragging.

so go the mighty skyline - the GTR had to start somewhere

ps, just got a phone call from the dude with the GTR. he is interested in buying my car so he can put my engine in his so that next year he is in the top 3, not just top 10.

also, i am unable to meet up this weekend cause i'll be at the cost.

adam will be having some drinks in my absence though i believe.

[froggy_drew]

That ain't a Westfield fool. :roflmao:

Cal.

please read the following, a cut and paste from the Skelta Media release...

SKELTA BOSS LEADS TARGA TASMANIA CATEGORY

Managing Director of the Queensland based Skelta Sports Car Company, Ray Vandersee has shown he’s no slouch behind the wheel, recording an impressive first up run during today’s 4.5 km Prologue stage of the International tarmac feature, Targa Tasmania Rally.

The Skelta G-Force designer clocked a time of 3 minutes 22.4 seconds in his Westfield Clubman to be the fastest finisher in the Modern Clubman category.
...
Vandersee is using the Targa Tasmania Rally as a marketing opportunity for the Skelta G-Force with all support vehicles and the Westfield Clubman emblazoned with Skelta imagery.


Once again, to save you time..

"you're an idiot Drew if you even try to claim that Ray's car is a Westfield. Just because it has the same shape and general design, doesn't mean its even close. Hell, that's like saying those French rally cars in the WRC are the same as my car."

See how convenient it is to change the argument when it suits?

[Cal]

its for sale now anyway,

You buying a Pug? :confused:

Cal.

[froggy_drew]

Hardly!
It will either be another R31 or an MX5 (1989 import).
Hopefully the 31, cause it goes like the clappers. Gotta get it up on a hoist first.

My car is advertised on carsales if anyone you know (with tatse) wants it.

[Cal]

Name the components which a still Westfield.

Cal.

[froggy_drew]

Cal, you don;t get my argument.

Suburu still claim a WRC rally car, but how many of those compnents are on an Imprezza GX?

Ferrari claim an F1, but how much of that appears on a 360?

Ford claim a V8 S/C, but how much of that comes standard on a Forte?

I don't care if it has inboard shocks, carbon fibre shell, S2000 running gear etc etc etc.
You still have to call it something, and it is predominantly a Westfield Clubman, as anyone else in the world will admit.

In a clubman, you can't have a black and white print-out of what components make it one thing or another. If this was the case, what's to say that because our Westy uses a skyline steering column, it can no longer be called a Westfield.

I know this is an extremely mild modification example, but where do you draw the line?
Just get over the fact that i have some pride in Westfields, as does Ray Vandersee, so stop trying to put them down. Call the thing a Pug if it excits you, it's not going to change the fact it started life as a very standard Westfield Clubman.

If i put $100k into my crappy skyline, does that make it transform to a Dodge Viper?? No, its still a Skyline.

[Cal]

Oh I see. No worries. I drive the same car to work that Ari Vatanen drove up Pikes Peak in 1988. :clown:

Cal.

[froggy_drew]

i can't tell what you're arguing now, but it doesnt really matter.
we obviously have differing opinions for a change

[Stuey]

...car is advertised.... if anyone you know (with tatse) wants it...
I asked me mate Dave but I can't prise him off of his Harley.

[froggy_drew]

if you have to pry him off a Harley i would have to question his taste :P

Nah just kidding. It should sell pretty easily, there aren't too many about these days, so don't feel sorry for me everyone.

I was actually worried i might get done for false advertising, because under Cal's guidelines, now that i have put on aftermarket components, its wrong to call it a Skyline. :D

[Cal]

Yeah I'll bet those Monroe's and Pedders springs made it handle sweet too. :eek:

Cal.

[brenno]

1 Ultima in 3rd place driven by - shock horror - a QLD Westfield owner and club member

Owned by Chris B right? Wonder why he doesn't drive it?

[N5GTi6]

Yeah I'll bet those Monroe's and Pedders springs made it handle sweet too. :eek:

Cal.

Couldn't be any worse than a standard one. My brother has one, and while I had it on loan a few years back it was the most fun I had sliding around at the slowest speeds ever.

Cheers

[Zantetsuken]

I hate to bring this thread back to the topic, Targa, but how many French cars are actually entered, does anyone know?

I'd really be interested following the progress if any are... I do love my rally, one off Tarmac or otherwise! :whip:

Tim!

[brenno]

Theres a 306 GTi6, 206 CC and a Citroen C2 VTR from memory.

www.targa.org.au has the full listing of entrants.

[XTC]

Theres a 306 GTi6, 206 CC and a Citroen C2 VTR from memory.

932 Performance Automobiles - Citr
Alan Peacock, UK
Peter Thorpe, Tas
2004 Citroen C2 VTR

952 Rod King
Rod King, QLD
Thomas King, QLD
1998 Peugeot 306 GTi6

906 Ocean Frontiers
Margie McIntyre, TAS
Debbie De Britt, TAS
2001 Peugeot 206 cc

[Cal]

Some of the overall positions from yesterday in the modern class:
Ray and John's clubman 11th
Guy Bedington's Ultima 42nd
The King's GTi6 107th
The 206 CC 112th
C2 VTR 113th

The only other Frog I could find was a 1973 Renault R17 TL in 77th position in the classic class.

Cal.

[brenno]

Where are you getting the overall positions from?

Targa website is confusing.

[Cal]

Yeah it is hey. Under results, just click on the final leg results for each class and then under leg 1 for yesterday.

Cal.

[N5GTi6]

Yeah it is hey. Under results, just click on the final leg results for each class and then under leg 1 for yesterday.

Cal.

I notice the Kings are running 115th at the moment.

Anyone have any details on their car at all. I see they're running in 'Limited Modified' - anyone know what mods they've made?

Cheers

[froggy_drew]

sorry i only have Monroe's and Pedders.
I didn't realise it was illegal to run anything other than fully adjustables or coil-overs on a near 20 year old $5000 car.

i will take it off the 'for sale' section immediately and spend $5000 on the suspension so that i can realise at least another $200 when i then try to sell it again.

thanks for the pointer.

[Cal]

I notice the Kings are running 115th at the moment.

Anyone have any details on their car at all. I see they're running in 'Limited Modified' - anyone know what mods they've made?

Cheers

Not a great deal. From memory it runs a Motec EMS, an LSD, some cams and slotted rotors. It is a beautifully presented car. The attention to detail is truely outstanding. It is a mica red colour with white OZ racing wheels. There will be a photo on the site soon enough.

Cal.

[Brad]

Cal, isn't uncle Gerald running it this year?

[Cal]

Nope, not this year. Rod is running with his son. Next year they plan to enter both the GTi6 and the Mi16. Two father and son teams. Funny thing is, both Rod and Gerald told me the 405 is quicker at Targa. :D

Cal.

[yawood]

Go Jimmy!

[Nav]

Hi all! Was actually meaning to start a Targa thread and keep eveyone informed before we went - but time, panicked packing and last minute car preps got in the way. I was in car #836 driven by Paul Bergmann & our teammates John Atherton (team principal) and Melinda Both were in #835. (yes, GTRs. and yes, they are awesome pieces of kit).

Whole week as an experience was awesome (was my first Targa) and the cars (and amounts of money spent on them) are/is absolutely incredible. Out of around 380 vehicles entered I can only think of a few that I didn't like and all of them were immaculately prepared... The car expo's every night were REAL car shows (not like our Brissie Motor Show which has maybe 2 or 3 race cars all of which are WRC-mockups)!!!

Results wise wasn't exactly what we had hoped - John & Mel blew their engine on Cygnet just after lunch on Day 3. Paul & I were going really well (I think we were about 11th outright and winning Category 8 + whatever our class was by about a minute and a half) until just before lunch on the final day, on the 33km Strahan stage we got a flat only 5 or so kms into the stage. we managed to keep it on the rim until about 5kms from the end of the stage - then limped to the end of the stage on the rim. Lost about 3 and a half mins of competitive time on the stage + the 2 min penalty for using the spare. Was pretty devastating and we finished 26th I think (25th pending the disqualification / appeal of Jason & John White for an illegal intercooler spray on their R34 GTR which took them to 2nd place outright)

Have a couple of pics which I'll try to attach now - nup sorry think they are too big didnt work..

ps. anyone who's even sort of interested / in a position to do Targa one year - save you pennies, bite the bullet and do it! Its unbelievable!

pps. even when we were going well couldn't match Ray - he DRIVES that thing..

[GTI124]

Any pics of the GTi6?

[brenno]

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Here is it in TT2003...

[GTI124]

Yeah, seen that before. Not nice seeing that bumper missing, though.

[purrr-geot]

are those OZ racing superturismo's???

[petermelb]

What happened to the Citroen C2 ?

[Pugnut403]

Targa was great this year, for once a Porsche didn't win! Too bad it had to be a WRX that won, but at least it is the first time in 8 years that a Porsche hasn't won.

I was a road closure marshal on teh Triabunna stage, lots of fun seeing them race past. One of the best was the old Oakland, cornering on its old vintage tyures, 4 wheel drift around the corner at full throttle, tyres squeeling away! Fantastic! :D

Here is a car from the "show and shine" that they do in HObart when Targa ison.
http://www.targa.org.au/gallery/2004/spectator_shots/hires/day3/spectator1.jpg

They haven't put any of the Froggy competitors pictures on the website.

[zykyra]

I have placed a few pics from last weeks Targa up on this thread.....enjoy :)
Got all the froggies & a few Italian cars. We followed the cars back from Queenstown to Hobart & counted 10 accidents all up......snow didnt help! Will be back next year for sure!

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13139

[N5GTi6]

I have placed a few pics from last weeks Targa up on this thread.....enjoy :)
Got all the froggies & a few Italian cars. We followed the cars back from Queenstown to Hobart & counted 10 accidents all up......snow didnt help! Will be back next year for sure!

http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13139

Must be something about that stretch of road. I was down there in March for a quick couple of laps of the island, and just past Derwent Bridge there was a nasty accident that had all the local forces attending. It's a fantastic stretch though. I had to turn around and do it again. Within 2.5 hours I'd filled up at the Derwent Bridge Roadhouse twice. Should have seen the looks I got.... :D

[A310V6]

[QUOTE=Nav]
[...]
ps. anyone who's even sort of interested / in a position to do Targa one year - save you pennies, bite the bullet and do it! Its unbelievable!
[...]
QUOTE]

Yes, tarmac rallies are so much *fun*, it is hard to believe they are still
legal!

Targa Tasmania is a big expense and has non-trivial logistics.

For your first tarmac special stage rally, I'd recommend Rally Tasmania.

It is less $$, it is based around a single location (Burnie), and is a lower
key event in most ways. Less emphasis on presentation and more
relaxed rules. Easy to get you gear in and out (Toll Shipping straight into
Burnie or take the Spirit). Toll is handy because in the event of a bent or
broken car, they ship it back on a pallette.

Still awesome roads like Hellyer Gorge and Savage River (fwd and reverse)
and many other great stages.

Unlike Targa - there are no "target times" for each class. You drive as
fast as you can because *every* second counts. It makes it very interesting!

I've been doing it since '98 (Not in a froggy -- Austin Healey Sprites and MG Midgets) tho' this year I missed out because of last minute work travel. It
was a shame because I had planned to take the Alpine out for its first competition run this year.

Next year... (Maybe Classic Adelaide this year???)

Both Alby Somers and I are going to do Targa NZ next year in our Alpines.

No current plans to do Targa Tasmania.

Mike
p.s. off to Road America (Elkhart Lake) to crew for a Austin Healey this week.
(OK, it is really a work trip and I'm getting some fun at a vintage race festival
in on the side). Last year it was the Renault Club of America's feature meeting
so hopefully the R5s, Alpines (310, 110) will be back again too.

[Cal]

I read this thread and realise what an excellent idea it was to set this new section up.

A310V6 could you please hang around more often. :D Never been to Road America, but would love to go sometime. Did the Monterey weekend in 97 and again in 98. That is also a great way to spend a weekend. Love that you can pitch a tent next to the track at Laguna Seca.

Cal.

[A310V6]

I read this thread and realise what an excellent idea it was to set this new section up.

A310V6 could you please hang around more often. :D Never been to Road America, but would love to go sometime. Did the Monterey weekend in 97 and again in 98. That is also a great way to spend a weekend. Love that you can pitch a tent next to the track at Laguna Seca.

Cal.

LOL! That's a first, usually people tell ne to P*** off!

Seriously, I'll be hanging around.

Yep, the tracks are all cool with competitors camping at the track too
(by camping mostly I mean giant motorhomes :-)
They also have another great thing at their vintage races (at least in
the mid-west) -- open track time for crew/sponsors etc in the lunch
interval.

Last year I got to drive 5 laps around Road America in a vintage racing bugeye Sprite. What a great track. Kind of like Phillip Island on steroids.

Not as challenging to drive as Bathurst (Only raced there twice myself but
old hands tell me you never stop discovering there), but the same length
as Mt Panorama and it has a bit more variety than PI and more elevation changes.

I have a couple of pictures of the Renault crowd at Road America -- see if I can ind them. If I do, I'll post them in a new thread.

Mike

[A310V6]

[...]

I have a couple of pictures of the Renault crowd at Road America -- see if I can ind them. If I do, I'll post them in a new thread.



I surprise myself sometime.. I found the pics.

They'll be in a thread "Renaults at Elkhart Lake Fall Vintage Festival 2003"
in motorsport forum.

Mike